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Keith Hobman
November 25th 03, 05:52 PM
I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.

When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
focus for raw lifting.

--
Keith Hobman

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Will
November 25th 03, 06:00 PM
In article >,
(Keith Hobman) wrote:

> I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
>
> When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> focus for raw lifting.

2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
December 5-6 2004
River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
Book rooms early
1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
Martin Drake
PO Box 108
Nuevo, Ca 92567
909-928-4797
ntrlpwr at pe dot net

Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps you in
the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and teens.
Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes much faster.

Hoff
November 25th 03, 06:02 PM
"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
...
> I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
>
> When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> focus for raw lifting.
>

December 5-6

http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45

Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.

Hoff

Keith Hobman
November 25th 03, 06:08 PM
In article >, Will
> wrote:

> In article >,
> (Keith Hobman) wrote:
>
> > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> >
> > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > focus for raw lifting.
>
> 2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
> December 5-6 2004
> River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
> Book rooms early
> 1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
> Martin Drake
> PO Box 108
> Nuevo, Ca 92567
> 909-928-4797
> ntrlpwr at pe dot net
>
> Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps you in
> the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and teens.
> Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes much faster.

Yeah, but I'm thinking of dropping weight anyhow.

These records are a little different. I see what people mean about the
number of divisions. I'm lifetime drugfree, so...

At 198 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...

348/305/452

The 198 raw records at 45-49

400/305/551

At 220 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...

474/358/531

The 220 raw records at 45-49

457/358/540

I mean - how do you get a lifetime drug free raw record and not get the
raw record? Probably just too many records.

Too be honest at 220 raw I could walk in tomorrow and squat 525, bench 365
and deadlift 605. Well, barring injury or acts of God, anyhow. And those
numbers would be with no peak and an average or bad day.

--
Keith Hobman

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Keith Hobman
November 25th 03, 06:11 PM
In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> wrote:

> "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> >
> > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > focus for raw lifting.
> >
>
> December 5-6
>
> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>
> Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.

That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a 15
passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there. Design a
t-shirt. Get a block of rooms and mebbe arrange for extra entertainment.

I may have to drop off some classes for that term, but it would be a pile
of fun.

--
Keith Hobman

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Top Sirloin
November 25th 03, 06:19 PM
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:02:55 GMT, "Hoff" > wrote:

>"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
...
>> I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
>> the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
>>
>> When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
>> focus for raw lifting.
>>
>
>December 5-6
>
>http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>
>Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.

A 1005 total at 220 raw to qualify? No problem. :-)


--
Scott Johnson
"Always with the excuses for small legs. People like you are
why they only open the top half of caskets." -Tommy Bowen

Will
November 25th 03, 06:25 PM
In article <[email protected]_s04>,
"Hoff" > wrote:

> "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> >
> > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > focus for raw lifting.
> >
>
> December 5-6
>
> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>
> Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>
> Hoff
>
>

Where are the qualifying totals? I might have to go bench only. :( Or
lose some weight.

Would a closer stance and more of a heel be a better squatting technique
for a raw squatter? I'd definitely need to DL conventionally if I went
raw.

Will
November 25th 03, 06:30 PM
In article >,
(Keith Hobman) wrote:

> In article >, Will
> > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> >
> > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > >
> > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > focus for raw lifting.
> >
> > 2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
> > December 5-6 2004
> > River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
> > Book rooms early
> > 1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
> > Martin Drake
> > PO Box 108
> > Nuevo, Ca 92567
> > 909-928-4797
> > ntrlpwr at pe dot net
> >
> > Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps you in
> > the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and teens.
> > Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes much faster.
>
> Yeah, but I'm thinking of dropping weight anyhow.

Ah. Keep in mind, the AAU has a 24 hour weigh in too. So you wouldn't
even need to get all the way down to an honest 198.

Kirk Roy
November 25th 03, 06:36 PM
Will > wrote:
> Where are the qualifying totals? I might have to go bench only. :( Or
> lose some weight.

The qualifying totals are low:
http://aausports.org/exec/AAU/sports/powerlifting/pop_up/TOTALS.html

> Would a closer stance and more of a heel be a better squatting technique
> for a raw squatter? I'd definitely need to DL conventionally if I went
> raw.

You can squat however you like raw. I squat pretty wide. As you can see:
http://users.vei.net/kirk/weights/LusbyA.jpg

I can definitely move more weight with this stance than with a closer
stance. Ironically, I can do higher reps (8+) better with a narrower
stance...

Kirk

DRS
November 25th 03, 06:40 PM
Keith Hobman > wrote in message

> In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > wrote:

[...]

>> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>>
>> Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>
> That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a
> 15 passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
> Design a t-shirt.

T-shirt front: "TEAM MFW / Sure we hate each other..."
T-shirt back: "...but we hate you more!

All you need is a suitable logo and you're away.

--

"Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like
****ting in your pants because that's where your asshole happened to be."
Andreas Prilop

Will
November 25th 03, 06:45 PM
In article >,
Kirk Roy > wrote:

> Will > wrote:
> > Where are the qualifying totals? I might have to go bench only. :( Or
> > lose some weight.
>
> The qualifying totals are low:
> http://aausports.org/exec/AAU/sports/powerlifting/pop_up/TOTALS.html

Cool, I could qualify raw. Equipped actually might be a bit of a
challenge. No way do I get 205 or 235 out of my gear like they expect
for someone 220 or 242.

> > Would a closer stance and more of a heel be a better squatting technique
> > for a raw squatter? I'd definitely need to DL conventionally if I went
> > raw.
>
> You can squat however you like raw. I squat pretty wide. As you can see:
> http://users.vei.net/kirk/weights/LusbyA.jpg
>
> I can definitely move more weight with this stance than with a closer
> stance. Ironically, I can do higher reps (8+) better with a narrower
> stance...

Danke.

Lee Michaels
November 25th 03, 07:01 PM
"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
...
> In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > wrote:
>
> > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure
both
> > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > >
> > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > focus for raw lifting.
> > >
> >
> > December 5-6
> >
> >
http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> >
> > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>
> That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a 15
> passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there. Design a
> t-shirt. Get a block of rooms and mebbe arrange for extra entertainment.
>
> I may have to drop off some classes for that term, but it would be a pile
> of fun.
>
Be creative Keith. There has to be some way you could do this as an extra
credit or field study thing.

Keith Hobman
November 25th 03, 07:02 PM
In article >, Kirk Roy
> wrote:

> Will > wrote:
> > Where are the qualifying totals? I might have to go bench only. :( Or
> > lose some weight.
>
> The qualifying totals are low:
> http://aausports.org/exec/AAU/sports/powerlifting/pop_up/TOTALS.html
>
> > Would a closer stance and more of a heel be a better squatting technique
> > for a raw squatter? I'd definitely need to DL conventionally if I went
> > raw.
>
> You can squat however you like raw. I squat pretty wide. As you can see:
> http://users.vei.net/kirk/weights/LusbyA.jpg
>
> I can definitely move more weight with this stance than with a closer
> stance. Ironically, I can do higher reps (8+) better with a narrower
> stance...

I can squat more wide too, but seeing as how this is a fun thing I might
just train in my OL shoes and do a high-bar, narrow stance,
ass-to-the-grass olympic squat.

You know. Barely able to squat the Sunday paper that way, but I'm kinda
viewing this as a raw, butch-up kinda meet anyhow.

However, I may still deadlift sumo so I don't have any neural confusion
with the clean pull, since I'll be working the olympic lifts hard for this
time frame as well.

Or not. It would be fun to lift like the old-timers and see what I can put
up that way.

--
Keith Hobman

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Keith Hobman
November 25th 03, 07:14 PM
In article <[email protected]_s03>, "Lee Michaels"
> wrote:

> "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure
> both
> > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > >
> > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > >
> > >
> > > December 5-6
> > >
> > >
> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > >
> > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> >
> > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a 15
> > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there. Design a
> > t-shirt. Get a block of rooms and mebbe arrange for extra entertainment.
> >
> > I may have to drop off some classes for that term, but it would be a pile
> > of fun.
> >
> Be creative Keith. There has to be some way you could do this as an extra
> credit or field study thing.

Hmmm.

Thats a good thought. Thanks Lee - I'll take a look.

--
Keith Hobman

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Will
November 25th 03, 07:25 PM
In article >,
(Keith Hobman) wrote:

> In article >, Kirk Roy
> > wrote:
>
> > Will > wrote:
> > > Where are the qualifying totals? I might have to go bench only. :( Or
> > > lose some weight.
> >
> > The qualifying totals are low:
> > http://aausports.org/exec/AAU/sports/powerlifting/pop_up/TOTALS.html
> >
> > > Would a closer stance and more of a heel be a better squatting technique
> > > for a raw squatter? I'd definitely need to DL conventionally if I went
> > > raw.
> >
> > You can squat however you like raw. I squat pretty wide. As you can see:
> > http://users.vei.net/kirk/weights/LusbyA.jpg
> >
> > I can definitely move more weight with this stance than with a closer
> > stance. Ironically, I can do higher reps (8+) better with a narrower
> > stance...
>
> I can squat more wide too, but seeing as how this is a fun thing I might
> just train in my OL shoes and do a high-bar, narrow stance,
> ass-to-the-grass olympic squat.
>
> You know. Barely able to squat the Sunday paper that way, but I'm kinda
> viewing this as a raw, butch-up kinda meet anyhow.

Yeah. So I'll make my butch-up statement and say I will bench 402 at
this meet. Raw. My squat and DL will probably be about the same :(,
but I'll get that 402 bench.

Lee Michaels
November 25th 03, 07:26 PM
"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
...
> In article <ZFNwb.303908$Tr4.96[email protected]_s03>, "Lee Michaels"
> > wrote:
>
> > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I
figure
> > both
> > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > >
> > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me
some
> > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > December 5-6
> > > >
> > > >
> >
http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > > >
> > > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > >
> > > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a
15
> > > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there. Design a
> > > t-shirt. Get a block of rooms and mebbe arrange for extra
entertainment.
> > >
> > > I may have to drop off some classes for that term, but it would be a
pile
> > > of fun.
> > >
> > Be creative Keith. There has to be some way you could do this as an
extra
> > credit or field study thing.
>
> Hmmm.
>
> Thats a good thought. Thanks Lee - I'll take a look.
>

Particularly if you start something soon. Perhaps some kind of year long
data recording thing with the culmination being the competition. It may be
interesting to try various things out and super document them Particularly
because you are NOT a beginner and the time period would be longer than the
average quarter or semester.

Maybe something on training for both olympic and powerlifting. You could
take your training log to a whole different level. I am rambling here. You
can always make some inquires.


Or you could do something on what the average amereican male does when they
are away from the wife and kids in sin city.

OmegaZero2003
November 25th 03, 07:42 PM
"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> Keith Hobman > wrote in message
>
> > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >>
http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> >>
> >> Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> >
> > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a
> > 15 passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
> > Design a t-shirt.
>
> T-shirt front: "TEAM MFW / Sure we hate each other..."
> T-shirt back: "...but we hate you more!

MFW T's design already exists; Kelly McMillan produced them years ago. I
still have mine.

>
> All you need is a suitable logo and you're away.
>
> --
>
> "Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like
> ****ting in your pants because that's where your asshole happened to be."
> Andreas Prilop
>
>

Lee Michaels
November 25th 03, 08:28 PM
"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Will
> > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> >
> > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure
both
> > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > >
> > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > focus for raw lifting.
> >
> > 2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
> > December 5-6 2004
> > River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
> > Book rooms early
> > 1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
> > Martin Drake
> > PO Box 108
> > Nuevo, Ca 92567
> > 909-928-4797
> > ntrlpwr at pe dot net
> >
> > Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps you in
> > the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and teens.
> > Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes much
faster.
>
> Yeah, but I'm thinking of dropping weight anyhow.
>
> These records are a little different. I see what people mean about the
> number of divisions. I'm lifetime drugfree, so...
>
> At 198 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
>
> 348/305/452
>
> The 198 raw records at 45-49
>
> 400/305/551
>
> At 220 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
>
> 474/358/531
>
> The 220 raw records at 45-49
>
> 457/358/540
>
> I mean - how do you get a lifetime drug free raw record and not get the
> raw record? Probably just too many records.
>
> Too be honest at 220 raw I could walk in tomorrow and squat 525, bench 365
> and deadlift 605. Well, barring injury or acts of God, anyhow. And those
> numbers would be with no peak and an average or bad day.
>
Two questions.

Why drop to 198? I would think that you would start to look almost anorexic
at that weight.

What is you strength to body weight ratio at 198 and 220? Any advantages
there? Or is it a pretty linear relationship?

Art S
November 25th 03, 08:51 PM
"Will" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (Keith Hobman) wrote:
>
> > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> >
> > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > focus for raw lifting.
>
> 2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
> December 5-6 2004
> River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
> Book rooms early
> 1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
> Martin Drake
> PO Box 108
> Nuevo, Ca 92567
> 909-928-4797
> ntrlpwr at pe dot net
>
> Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps you in
> the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and teens.
> Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes much faster.

I'm seeing that as Sunday/Monday. How likely is the date to change?

Art

Will
November 25th 03, 09:13 PM
In article
>,
"Art S" > wrote:

> "Will" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> >
> > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > >
> > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > focus for raw lifting.
> >
> > 2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
> > December 5-6 2004
> > River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
> > Book rooms early
> > 1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
> > Martin Drake
> > PO Box 108
> > Nuevo, Ca 92567
> > 909-928-4797
> > ntrlpwr at pe dot net
> >
> > Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps you in
> > the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and teens.
> > Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes much faster.
>
> I'm seeing that as Sunday/Monday. How likely is the date to change?

Good point. The world push-pull Martin's putting on this year is a
weekend event, so I'd guess next year's meet will be as well. He
probably just knocked a day off the dates for this year's meet,
forgetting next year is a leap year.

Lyle McDonald
November 25th 03, 09:36 PM
Kirk Roy wrote:
>
> Will > wrote:
> > Where are the qualifying totals? I might have to go bench only. :( Or
> > lose some weight.
>
> The qualifying totals are low:
> http://aausports.org/exec/AAU/sports/powerlifting/pop_up/TOTALS.html

Wow, no ****.
My raw results only put me like 80 lbs off of what's needed to qualify
for the geared men's 165s.

And I'm a pussy.

Lyle

elzinator
November 25th 03, 09:43 PM
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:02:55 GMT, "Hoff" >
wrote:

>"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
...
>> I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
>> the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
>>
>> When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
>> focus for raw lifting.
>>
>
>December 5-6
>
>http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>
>Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.


I agree with this. We did it in Mesquite a few years ago, why not
again?

Maybe I'll join in this time:)

elzinator
November 25th 03, 09:44 PM
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:11:40 -0600, (Keith Hobman)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> wrote:
>
>> "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
>> > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
>> >
>> > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
>> > focus for raw lifting.
>> >
>>
>> December 5-6
>>
>> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>>
>> Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>
>That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a 15
>passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there. Design a
>t-shirt. Get a block of rooms and mebbe arrange for extra entertainment.
>
>I may have to drop off some classes for that term, but it would be a pile
>of fun.

I agree. (writing down new goal)

Anyone in contact with Watson? I bet he would join in. Maybe Audrey,
too.

Keith Hobman
November 25th 03, 10:43 PM
In article <[email protected]_s03>, "Lee Michaels"
> wrote:

> "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Will
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure
> both
> > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > >
> > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > >
> > > 2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
> > > December 5-6 2004
> > > River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
> > > Book rooms early
> > > 1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
> > > Martin Drake
> > > PO Box 108
> > > Nuevo, Ca 92567
> > > 909-928-4797
> > > ntrlpwr at pe dot net
> > >
> > > Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps you in
> > > the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and teens.
> > > Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes much
> faster.
> >
> > Yeah, but I'm thinking of dropping weight anyhow.
> >
> > These records are a little different. I see what people mean about the
> > number of divisions. I'm lifetime drugfree, so...
> >
> > At 198 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
> >
> > 348/305/452
> >
> > The 198 raw records at 45-49
> >
> > 400/305/551
> >
> > At 220 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
> >
> > 474/358/531
> >
> > The 220 raw records at 45-49
> >
> > 457/358/540
> >
> > I mean - how do you get a lifetime drug free raw record and not get the
> > raw record? Probably just too many records.
> >
> > Too be honest at 220 raw I could walk in tomorrow and squat 525, bench 365
> > and deadlift 605. Well, barring injury or acts of God, anyhow. And those
> > numbers would be with no peak and an average or bad day.
> >
> Two questions.
>
> Why drop to 198? I would think that you would start to look almost anorexic
> at that weight.
>
> What is you strength to body weight ratio at 198 and 220? Any advantages
> there? Or is it a pretty linear relationship?

Dunno - I've never really watched my weight. Doing the gymnastics stuff we
are doing at school I'm feeling a little heavy. We'll see where it goes.

My ideal weight for powerlifting would probably be 242 or 275, but no way
I'm going there.

Keith Hobman
November 25th 03, 10:44 PM
In article >, elzinator
> wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:11:40 -0600, (Keith Hobman)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> >> > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> >> >
> >> > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> >> > focus for raw lifting.
> >> >
> >>
> >> December 5-6
> >>
> >> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> >>
> >> Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> >
> >That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a 15
> >passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there. Design a
> >t-shirt. Get a block of rooms and mebbe arrange for extra entertainment.
> >
> >I may have to drop off some classes for that term, but it would be a pile
> >of fun.
>
> I agree. (writing down new goal)
>
> Anyone in contact with Watson? I bet he would join in. Maybe Audrey,
> too.

Yeah, I see him on the Strength list. I'll let him know.

John Hanson
November 25th 03, 11:15 PM
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:02:55 GMT, "Hoff" > wrote
in misc.fitness.weights:

>"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
...
>> I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
>> the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
>>
>> When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
>> focus for raw lifting.
>>
>
>December 5-6
>
>http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>
>Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.

But now that I'm a card carrying member of USAPL, I believe I'm
supposed to look down my nose at AAU folks.

>
>Hoff
>

Hoff
November 26th 03, 12:03 AM
"John Hanson" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:02:55 GMT, "Hoff" > wrote
> in misc.fitness.weights:
>
> >"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure
both
> >> the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> >>
> >> When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> >> focus for raw lifting.
> >>
> >
> >December 5-6
> >
> >http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> >
> >Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>
> But now that I'm a card carrying member of USAPL, I believe I'm
> supposed to look down my nose at AAU folks.

Pretty sure it's in the by-laws somewhere.

You're also supposed to sneer at anyone wearing more than single ply poly,
but get totally indignant when someone talks about lifting raw.

Hoff

John Hanson
November 26th 03, 12:08 AM
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:03:50 GMT, "Hoff" > wrote
in misc.fitness.weights:

>"John Hanson" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:02:55 GMT, "Hoff" > wrote
>> in misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>> >"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure
>both
>> >> the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
>> >>
>> >> When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
>> >> focus for raw lifting.
>> >>
>> >
>> >December 5-6
>> >
>> >http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>> >
>> >Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>>
>> But now that I'm a card carrying member of USAPL, I believe I'm
>> supposed to look down my nose at AAU folks.
>
>Pretty sure it's in the by-laws somewhere.
>
>You're also supposed to sneer at anyone wearing more than single ply poly,
>but get totally indignant when someone talks about lifting raw.
>
>Hoff
>
Yep, I believe that's the way its written in the rule book.

Wayne S. Hill
November 26th 03, 12:30 AM
Keith Hobman wrote:

> Too be honest at 220 raw I could walk in tomorrow and squat
> 525, bench 365 and deadlift 605. Well, barring injury or
> acts of God, anyhow. And those numbers would be with no peak
> and an average or bad day.

Keith: when the kilt comes, please open the box carefully!

--
-Wayne

DRS
November 26th 03, 01:11 AM
Lyle McDonald > wrote in message


[...]

> My raw results only put me like 80 lbs off of what's needed to qualify
> for the geared men's 165s.
>
> And I'm a pussy.

That must be why the lesbians like you.

--

"Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like
****ting in your pants because that's where your asshole happened to be."
Andreas Prilop

Proton Soup
November 26th 03, 03:32 AM
Lyle McDonald > wrote in message >...
> Kirk Roy wrote:
> >
> > Will > wrote:
> > > Where are the qualifying totals? I might have to go bench only. :( Or
> > > lose some weight.
> >
> > The qualifying totals are low:
> > http://aausports.org/exec/AAU/sports/powerlifting/pop_up/TOTALS.html
>
> Wow, no ****.
> My raw results only put me like 80 lbs off of what's needed to qualify
> for the geared men's 165s.
>
> And I'm a pussy.

But it makes you popular with the lesbians.

Proton Soup

gps
November 26th 03, 06:47 AM
Keith Hobman wrote:
>
> In article >, Will
> > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> >
> > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > >
> > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > focus for raw lifting.
> >
> > 2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
> > December 5-6 2004
> > River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
> > Book rooms early
> > 1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
> > Martin Drake
> > PO Box 108
> > Nuevo, Ca 92567
> > 909-928-4797
> > ntrlpwr at pe dot net
> >
> > Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps you in
> > the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and teens.
> > Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes much faster.
>
> Yeah, but I'm thinking of dropping weight anyhow.
>
> These records are a little different. I see what people mean about the
> number of divisions. I'm lifetime drugfree, so...
>
> At 198 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
>
> 348/305/452
>
> The 198 raw records at 45-49
>
> 400/305/551
>
> At 220 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
>
> 474/358/531
>
> The 220 raw records at 45-49
>
> 457/358/540
>
> I mean - how do you get a lifetime drug free raw record and not get the
> raw record? Probably just too many records.
>
> Too be honest at 220 raw I could walk in tomorrow and squat 525, bench 365
> and deadlift 605. Well, barring injury
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, but what are the chances of that happening?
ps

gps
November 26th 03, 06:48 AM
"Wayne S. Hill" wrote:
>
> Keith Hobman wrote:
>
> > Too be honest at 220 raw I could walk in tomorrow and squat
> > 525, bench 365 and deadlift 605. Well, barring injury or
> > acts of God, anyhow. And those numbers would be with no peak
> > and an average or bad day.
>
> Keith: when the kilt comes, please open the box carefully!
>
> --
> -Wayne

Too late, it already kilt him.
ps

gps
November 26th 03, 06:49 AM
Hoff wrote:
>
> "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> >
> > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > focus for raw lifting.
> >
>
> December 5-6
>
> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>
> Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>
> Hoff

I'll go if you're coming out. I owe Will one, too.
ps

gps
November 26th 03, 06:49 AM
Keith Hobman wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > wrote:
>
> > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > >
> > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > focus for raw lifting.
> > >
> >
> > December 5-6
> >
> > http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> >
> > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>
> That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a 15
> passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.

Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.
ps

gps
November 26th 03, 06:51 AM
Keith Hobman wrote:
>
> In article >, Kirk Roy
> > wrote:
>
> > Will > wrote:
> > > Where are the qualifying totals? I might have to go bench only. :( Or
> > > lose some weight.
> >
> > The qualifying totals are low:
> > http://aausports.org/exec/AAU/sports/powerlifting/pop_up/TOTALS.html
> >
> > > Would a closer stance and more of a heel be a better squatting technique
> > > for a raw squatter? I'd definitely need to DL conventionally if I went
> > > raw.
> >
> > You can squat however you like raw. I squat pretty wide. As you can see:
> > http://users.vei.net/kirk/weights/LusbyA.jpg
> >
> > I can definitely move more weight with this stance than with a closer
> > stance. Ironically, I can do higher reps (8+) better with a narrower
> > stance...
>
> I can squat more wide too, but seeing as how this is a fun thing I might
> just train in my OL shoes and do a high-bar, narrow stance,
> ass-to-the-grass olympic squat.
>
> You know. Barely able to squat the Sunday paper that way, but I'm kinda
> viewing this as a raw, butch-up kinda meet anyhow.

About f-ing time.
ps

David Cohen
November 26th 03, 06:51 AM
"gps" > wrote in message
...
> Keith Hobman wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
Will
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I
figure both
> > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > >
> > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give
me some
> > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > >
> > > 2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
> > > December 5-6 2004
> > > River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
> > > Book rooms early
> > > 1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
> > > Martin Drake
> > > PO Box 108
> > > Nuevo, Ca 92567
> > > 909-928-4797
> > > ntrlpwr at pe dot net
> > >
> > > Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps
you in
> > > the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and
teens.
> > > Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes
much faster.
> >
> > Yeah, but I'm thinking of dropping weight anyhow.
> >
> > These records are a little different. I see what people mean about
the
> > number of divisions. I'm lifetime drugfree, so...
> >
> > At 198 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
> >
> > 348/305/452
> >
> > The 198 raw records at 45-49
> >
> > 400/305/551
> >
> > At 220 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
> >
> > 474/358/531
> >
> > The 220 raw records at 45-49
> >
> > 457/358/540
> >
> > I mean - how do you get a lifetime drug free raw record and not
get the
> > raw record? Probably just too many records.
> >
> > Too be honest at 220 raw I could walk in tomorrow and squat 525,
bench 365
> > and deadlift 605. Well, barring injury
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Yeah, but what are the chances of that happening?

Just checked with the sportsbook at the Stardust Casino, which
essentially sets all the odds natuionwide. The odds of Keith not
injuring himself over the next year is currently 11 to 1.

David

gps
November 26th 03, 06:54 AM
David Cohen wrote:
>
> "gps" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> Will
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article >,
> > > > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I
> figure both
> > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > >
> > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give
> me some
> > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > >
> > > > 2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
> > > > December 5-6 2004
> > > > River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
> > > > Book rooms early
> > > > 1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
> > > > Martin Drake
> > > > PO Box 108
> > > > Nuevo, Ca 92567
> > > > 909-928-4797
> > > > ntrlpwr at pe dot net
> > > >
> > > > Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps
> you in
> > > > the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and
> teens.
> > > > Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes
> much faster.
> > >
> > > Yeah, but I'm thinking of dropping weight anyhow.
> > >
> > > These records are a little different. I see what people mean about
> the
> > > number of divisions. I'm lifetime drugfree, so...
> > >
> > > At 198 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
> > >
> > > 348/305/452
> > >
> > > The 198 raw records at 45-49
> > >
> > > 400/305/551
> > >
> > > At 220 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
> > >
> > > 474/358/531
> > >
> > > The 220 raw records at 45-49
> > >
> > > 457/358/540
> > >
> > > I mean - how do you get a lifetime drug free raw record and not
> get the
> > > raw record? Probably just too many records.
> > >
> > > Too be honest at 220 raw I could walk in tomorrow and squat 525,
> bench 365
> > > and deadlift 605. Well, barring injury
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > Yeah, but what are the chances of that happening?
>
> Just checked with the sportsbook at the Stardust Casino, which
> essentially sets all the odds natuionwide. The odds of Keith not
> injuring himself over the next year is currently 11 to 1.
>
> David

Can you get me $500 down on that?
ps

David Cohen
November 26th 03, 06:55 AM
"gps" > wrote in message
...
> Keith Hobman wrote:
> >
> > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I
figure both
> > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > >
> > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give
me some
> > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > >
> > >
> > > December 5-6
> > >
> > >
http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > >
> > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> >
> > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent
a 15
> > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
>
> Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.

I'm just gonna' walk.

David
Laughlin: Making Mesquite Look Like The Bellagio

Hoff
November 26th 03, 01:32 PM
"gps" > wrote in message
...
> Hoff wrote:
> >
> > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure
both
> > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > >
> > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > focus for raw lifting.
> > >
> >
> > December 5-6
> >
> >
http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> >
> > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> >
> > Hoff
>
> I'll go if you're coming out. I owe Will one, too.

Awesome. That's the plan right now.

Hoff

Keith Hobman
November 26th 03, 01:53 PM
In article >, John Hanson
> wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:02:55 GMT, "Hoff" > wrote
> in misc.fitness.weights:
>
> >"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> >> the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> >>
> >> When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> >> focus for raw lifting.
> >>
> >
> >December 5-6
> >
> >http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> >
> >Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>
> But now that I'm a card carrying member of USAPL, I believe I'm
> supposed to look down my nose at AAU folks.

Short memory if they do. It wasn't that long ago that the USPF looked down
on the USAPL (which was then the American Drug-free PL Federation).

Until the USPF lost IPF status.

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

Keith Hobman
November 26th 03, 01:54 PM
In article >, wrote:

> Keith Hobman wrote:
> >
> > In article >, Will
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > >
> > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > >
> > > 2004 AAU Drug Free World Powerlifting and International Bench
> > > December 5-6 2004
> > > River Palms Resort Casino Hotel Laughlin Nevada
> > > Book rooms early
> > > 1-800-835-7903 and ask for block # AAU 6
> > > Martin Drake
> > > PO Box 108
> > > Nuevo, Ca 92567
> > > 909-928-4797
> > > ntrlpwr at pe dot net
> > >
> > > Based on my experience at nationals, shoot for 220. 198 lumps you in
> > > the same day with all the lighter men, plus all the women and teens.
> > > Meet drags on forever. The big boys' meet the next day goes much faster.
> >
> > Yeah, but I'm thinking of dropping weight anyhow.
> >
> > These records are a little different. I see what people mean about the
> > number of divisions. I'm lifetime drugfree, so...
> >
> > At 198 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
> >
> > 348/305/452
> >
> > The 198 raw records at 45-49
> >
> > 400/305/551
> >
> > At 220 the lifetime drugfree records 45-49...
> >
> > 474/358/531
> >
> > The 220 raw records at 45-49
> >
> > 457/358/540
> >
> > I mean - how do you get a lifetime drug free raw record and not get the
> > raw record? Probably just too many records.
> >
> > Too be honest at 220 raw I could walk in tomorrow and squat 525, bench 365
> > and deadlift 605. Well, barring injury
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Yeah, but what are the chances of that happening?

grrrrr....

:^)

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

Keith Hobman
November 26th 03, 01:55 PM
In article >, wrote:

> Keith Hobman wrote:
> >
> > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > >
> > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > >
> > >
> > > December 5-6
> > >
> > > http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > >
> > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> >
> > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a 15
> > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
>
> Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.

I wonder if they rent motorcycles in Vegas?

Real bikes like a Yamaha FZ1. Not them Harley and Harley wannabes.

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

gps
November 26th 03, 05:17 PM
David Cohen wrote:
>
> "gps" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I
> figure both
> > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > >
> > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give
> me some
> > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > December 5-6
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > > >
> > > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > >
> > > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent
> a 15
> > > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
> >
> > Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.
>
> I'm just gonna' walk.
>
> David
> Laughlin: Making Mesquite Look Like The Bellagio

I was worried about that. Laughlin is where they had the biker gang
shoot out a couple of years ago, right?
ps

gps
November 26th 03, 05:18 PM
Keith Hobman wrote:
>
> In article >, wrote:
>
> > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
> > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > >
> > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > December 5-6
> > > >
> > > > http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > > >
> > > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > >
> > > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a 15
> > > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
> >
> > Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.
>
> I wonder if they rent motorcycles in Vegas?
>
> Real bikes like a Yamaha FZ1. Not them Harley and Harley wannabes.
>
> --
> Keith Hobman
>
> --- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

They do everything in Vegas. I'd bet they rent motorcycles. Cohen?
ps

gps
November 26th 03, 05:19 PM
Hoff wrote:
>
> "gps" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hoff wrote:
> > >
> > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure
> both
> > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > >
> > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > >
> > >
> > > December 5-6
> > >
> > >
> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > >
> > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > >
> > > Hoff
> >
> > I'll go if you're coming out. I owe Will one, too.
>
> Awesome. That's the plan right now.
>
> Hoff

This is very cool. We've got a sizable team right now and I'm sure
Watson will come. We could be looking at over a dozen people including
non lifters.
ps

Keith Hobman
November 26th 03, 05:29 PM
In article >, wrote:

> Hoff wrote:
> >
> > "gps" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hoff wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure
> > both
> > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > >
> > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
> > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > December 5-6
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > > >
> > > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > > >
> > > > Hoff
> > >
> > > I'll go if you're coming out. I owe Will one, too.
> >
> > Awesome. That's the plan right now.
> >
> > Hoff
>
> This is very cool. We've got a sizable team right now and I'm sure
> Watson will come. We could be looking at over a dozen people including
> non lifters.
> ps

12 lifters and 5 support staff at last count.

Audrey is gonna lift.

Apologies to Lyle McDonald and Audrey for the errors.

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

Nina
November 26th 03, 06:21 PM
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:44:56 -0500, elzinator >
wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:11:40 -0600, (Keith Hobman)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> wrote:
>>
>>> "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
>>> > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
>>> >
>>> > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
>>> > focus for raw lifting.
>>> >
>>>
>>> December 5-6
>>>
>>> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>>>
>>> Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>>
>>That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent a 15
>>passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there. Design a
>>t-shirt. Get a block of rooms and mebbe arrange for extra entertainment.
>>
>>I may have to drop off some classes for that term, but it would be a pile
>>of fun.
>
>I agree. (writing down new goal)
>
>Anyone in contact with Watson? I bet he would join in. Maybe Audrey,
>too.

Watson's back on the left coast,but haven't heard from him in a bit.

Cheers,
Nina
delicious! evil! calorie free!
http://www.theslack.com

David Cohen
November 26th 03, 08:19 PM
"gps" > wrote in message
...
> Keith Hobman wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
wrote:
> >
> > > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw.
I figure both
> > > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might
give me some
> > > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > December 5-6
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > > > >
> > > > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > > >
> > > > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and
rent a 15
> > > > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
> > >
> > > Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.
> >
> > I wonder if they rent motorcycles in Vegas?
> >
> > Real bikes like a Yamaha FZ1. Not them Harley and Harley wannabes.
> >
> > --
> > Keith Hobman
> >
> > --- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.
>
> They do everything in Vegas. I'd bet they rent motorcycles. Cohen?

Yes, even I am for rent.

And there is NOTHING that can't be rented in Las Vegas, human,
chemical, machine, whatever. A quick look just now in the Yellow Pages
shows Harleys, Hondas, and BMWs for rent.

David

David Cohen
November 26th 03, 08:21 PM
"gps" > wrote in message
...
> David Cohen wrote:
> >
> > "gps" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw.
I
> > figure both
> > > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might
give
> > me some
> > > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > December 5-6
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > > > >
> > > > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > > >
> > > > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and
rent
> > a 15
> > > > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
> > >
> > > Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.
> >
> > I'm just gonna' walk.
> >
> > David
> > Laughlin: Making Mesquite Look Like The Bellagio
>
> I was worried about that. Laughlin is where they had the biker gang
> shoot out a couple of years ago, right?

Yeah, but that was during the annual biker get-together thing
(whatever they call it...a run?). Usually, Luaghlin is pretty tame. A
river, a bunch of casino/hotels, and desert.

David
> ps

Keith Hobman
November 26th 03, 11:46 PM
In article . net>, "David
Cohen" > wrote:

> "gps" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw.
> I figure both
> > > > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might
> give me some
> > > > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > December 5-6
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > > > >
> > > > > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and
> rent a 15
> > > > > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
> > > >
> > > > Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.
> > >
> > > I wonder if they rent motorcycles in Vegas?
> > >
> > > Real bikes like a Yamaha FZ1. Not them Harley and Harley wannabes.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Keith Hobman
> > >
> > > --- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.
> >
> > They do everything in Vegas. I'd bet they rent motorcycles. Cohen?
>
> Yes, even I am for rent.
>
> And there is NOTHING that can't be rented in Las Vegas, human,
> chemical, machine, whatever. A quick look just now in the Yellow Pages
> shows Harleys, Hondas, and BMWs for rent.

Cool. ST1300 should do the trick quite nicely.

David Cohen
November 27th 03, 12:20 AM
"Keith Hobman" > wrote
> "David Cohen" > wrote:
> > "gps" > wrote
> > > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > > > I wonder if they rent motorcycles in Vegas?
> > > >
> > > > Real bikes like a Yamaha FZ1. Not them Harley and Harley
wannabes.
> > >
> > > They do everything in Vegas. I'd bet they rent motorcycles.
Cohen?
> >
> > Yes, even I am for rent.
> >
> > And there is NOTHING that can't be rented in Las Vegas, human,
> > chemical, machine, whatever. A quick look just now in the Yellow
Pages
> > shows Harleys, Hondas, and BMWs for rent.
>
> Cool. ST1300 should do the trick quite nicely.

And that would be a motorcycle, I assume?

Never been into motorcycles. Guess it comes from years of scraping
unconscious skinless crash victims off the road.

David

gps
November 27th 03, 12:48 AM
David Cohen wrote:
>
> "gps" > wrote in message
> ...
> > David Cohen wrote:
> > >
> > > "gps" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw.
> I
> > > figure both
> > > > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might
> give
> > > me some
> > > > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > December 5-6
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > > > >
> > > > > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and
> rent
> > > a 15
> > > > > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
> > > >
> > > > Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.
> > >
> > > I'm just gonna' walk.
> > >
> > > David
> > > Laughlin: Making Mesquite Look Like The Bellagio
> >
> > I was worried about that. Laughlin is where they had the biker gang
> > shoot out a couple of years ago, right?
>
> Yeah, but that was during the annual biker get-together thing
> (whatever they call it...a run?). Usually, Luaghlin is pretty tame. A
> river, a bunch of casino/hotels, and desert.

I notice none of what you said contradicts your original statement that
Laughlin makes Mesquite look like the Bellagio.
ps

Keith Hobman
November 27th 03, 01:18 AM
In article .net>,
"David Cohen" > wrote:

> "Keith Hobman" > wrote
> > "David Cohen" > wrote:
> > > "gps" > wrote
> > > > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > > > > I wonder if they rent motorcycles in Vegas?
> > > > >
> > > > > Real bikes like a Yamaha FZ1. Not them Harley and Harley
> wannabes.
> > > >
> > > > They do everything in Vegas. I'd bet they rent motorcycles.
> Cohen?
> > >
> > > Yes, even I am for rent.
> > >
> > > And there is NOTHING that can't be rented in Las Vegas, human,
> > > chemical, machine, whatever. A quick look just now in the Yellow
> Pages
> > > shows Harleys, Hondas, and BMWs for rent.
> >
> > Cool. ST1300 should do the trick quite nicely.
>
> And that would be a motorcycle, I assume?
>
> Never been into motorcycles. Guess it comes from years of scraping
> unconscious skinless crash victims off the road.

I've never liked the crash myself.

However, you'll notice a lot of the accidents are speed and substance
abuse related. I can control that.

What gets me is when the other guy pulls a bonehead you have no cage to
protect yourself.

David Cohen
November 27th 03, 01:46 AM
"gps" > wrote in message
...
> David Cohen wrote:
> >
> > "gps" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > David Cohen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "gps" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49
raw.
> > I
> > > > figure both
> > > > > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year?
Might
> > give
> > > > me some
> > > > > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > December 5-6
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas
and
> > rent
> > > > a 15
> > > > > > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down
there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.
> > > >
> > > > I'm just gonna' walk.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > > Laughlin: Making Mesquite Look Like The Bellagio
> > >
> > > I was worried about that. Laughlin is where they had the biker
gang
> > > shoot out a couple of years ago, right?
> >
> > Yeah, but that was during the annual biker get-together thing
> > (whatever they call it...a run?). Usually, Luaghlin is pretty
tame. A
> > river, a bunch of casino/hotels, and desert.
>
> I notice none of what you said contradicts your original statement
that
> Laughlin makes Mesquite look like the Bellagio.

To be honest, we long-time Las Vegans are really spoiled. World class
hotels, world class restaurants, world class strip clubs. We forget
that the Casablanca Hotel in Mesquite, and the Purple Fez Restaurant
within, are actually considered pretty fancy to most of the rest of
the world. As are the Laughlin hotels.

If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have some cheap
screwtop wines chilled.

David

David Cohen
November 27th 03, 01:49 AM
"Keith Hobman" > wrote
> "David Cohen" > wrote:
> > "Keith Hobman" > wrote
> > > "David Cohen" > wrote:
> > > > "gps" > wrote
> > > > > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > > > > > I wonder if they rent motorcycles in Vegas?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Real bikes like a Yamaha FZ1. Not them Harley and Harley
> > wannabes.
> > > > >
> > > > > They do everything in Vegas. I'd bet they rent motorcycles.
> > Cohen?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, even I am for rent.
> > > >
> > > > And there is NOTHING that can't be rented in Las Vegas, human,
> > > > chemical, machine, whatever. A quick look just now in the
Yellow
> > Pages
> > > > shows Harleys, Hondas, and BMWs for rent.
> > >
> > > Cool. ST1300 should do the trick quite nicely.
> >
> > And that would be a motorcycle, I assume?
> >
> > Never been into motorcycles. Guess it comes from years of scraping
> > unconscious skinless crash victims off the road.
>
> I've never liked the crash myself.
>
> However, you'll notice a lot of the accidents are speed and
substance
> abuse related. I can control that.

True. It's what the other drivers do that you can't control.
>
> What gets me is when the other guy pulls a bonehead you have no cage
to
> protect yourself.

Yeah. I prefer a couple tons of metal with three point harnesses and
air bags to BRAKE, SWERVE, SCREECH, LAY IT DOWN, PRAY!

David

John Hanson
November 27th 03, 01:53 AM
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:53:17 -0600, (Keith Hobman)
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>In article >, John Hanson
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:02:55 GMT, "Hoff" > wrote
>> in misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>> >"Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I figure both
>> >> the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
>> >>
>> >> When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give me some
>> >> focus for raw lifting.
>> >>
>> >
>> >December 5-6
>> >
>> >http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>> >
>> >Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>>
>> But now that I'm a card carrying member of USAPL, I believe I'm
>> supposed to look down my nose at AAU folks.
>
>Short memory if they do. It wasn't that long ago that the USPF looked down
>on the USAPL (which was then the American Drug-free PL Federation).

I'm pretty certain the ADFPA folks did the same...to the USPF folks
too:-)

>
>Until the USPF lost IPF status.

Wayne S. Hill
November 27th 03, 02:12 AM
David Cohen wrote:

> To be honest, we long-time Las Vegans are really spoiled.
> World class hotels, world class restaurants, world class
> strip clubs. We forget that the Casablanca Hotel in
> Mesquite, and the Purple Fez Restaurant within, are actually
> considered pretty fancy to most of the rest of the world. As
> are the Laughlin hotels.

Vegas is pretty close, right? Would it be worthwhile for y'all to
commute to the meet?

> If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have
> some cheap screwtop wines chilled.

There are also some good wines with screw tops now, so make sure
you get the cheap stuff.

--
-Wayne

David Cohen
November 27th 03, 03:57 AM
"Wayne S. Hill" > wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
> > To be honest, we long-time Las Vegans are really spoiled.
> > World class hotels, world class restaurants, world class
> > strip clubs. We forget that the Casablanca Hotel in
> > Mesquite, and the Purple Fez Restaurant within, are actually
> > considered pretty fancy to most of the rest of the world. As
> > are the Laughlin hotels.
>
> Vegas is pretty close, right? Would it be worthwhile for y'all to
> commute to the meet?


Why bother? Theresa and I will stay the weekend and party with the
mfwers.
>
> > If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have
> > some cheap screwtop wines chilled.
>
> There are also some good wines with screw tops now, so make sure
> you get the cheap stuff.


It's Laughlin. Not a concern.

David

gps
November 27th 03, 05:20 AM
David Cohen wrote:
>
> "gps" > wrote in message
> ...
> > David Cohen wrote:
> > >
> > > "gps" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > David Cohen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "gps" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Keith Hobman wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49
> raw.
> > > I
> > > > > figure both
> > > > > > > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year?
> Might
> > > give
> > > > > me some
> > > > > > > > > focus for raw lifting.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > December 5-6
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas
> and
> > > rent
> > > > > a 15
> > > > > > > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down
> there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just gonna' walk.
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > > Laughlin: Making Mesquite Look Like The Bellagio
> > > >
> > > > I was worried about that. Laughlin is where they had the biker
> gang
> > > > shoot out a couple of years ago, right?
> > >
> > > Yeah, but that was during the annual biker get-together thing
> > > (whatever they call it...a run?). Usually, Luaghlin is pretty
> tame. A
> > > river, a bunch of casino/hotels, and desert.
> >
> > I notice none of what you said contradicts your original statement
> that
> > Laughlin makes Mesquite look like the Bellagio.
>
> To be honest, we long-time Las Vegans are really spoiled. World class
> hotels, world class restaurants, world class strip clubs. We forget
> that the Casablanca Hotel in Mesquite, and the Purple Fez Restaurant
> within, are actually considered pretty fancy to most of the rest of
> the world. As are the Laughlin hotels.

Damn, the Purple Fez; that brings back some memories.

> If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have some cheap
> screwtop wines chilled.

Once I forward this to her, she will bitch slap you so hard your puppies
will yelp.
ps

Lucas Buck
November 27th 03, 08:04 AM
On 27 Nov 2003 02:12:59 GMT, "Wayne S. Hill" > wrote:

>David Cohen wrote:
>
>> To be honest, we long-time Las Vegans are really spoiled.
>> World class hotels, world class restaurants, world class
>> strip clubs. We forget that the Casablanca Hotel in
>> Mesquite, and the Purple Fez Restaurant within, are actually
>> considered pretty fancy to most of the rest of the world. As
>> are the Laughlin hotels.
>
>Vegas is pretty close, right? Would it be worthwhile for y'all to
>commute to the meet?
>
>> If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have
>> some cheap screwtop wines chilled.
>
>There are also some good wines with screw tops now, so make sure
>you get the cheap stuff.

Trader Joe's $2 Merlot actually got a good review in today's local paper.

thewhit
November 27th 03, 09:33 AM
Lucas Buck > wrote in message
...
> On 27 Nov 2003 02:12:59 GMT, "Wayne S. Hill" > wrote:
>
> >David Cohen wrote:
> >
> >> To be honest, we long-time Las Vegans are really spoiled.
> >> World class hotels, world class restaurants, world class
> >> strip clubs. We forget that the Casablanca Hotel in
> >> Mesquite, and the Purple Fez Restaurant within, are actually
> >> considered pretty fancy to most of the rest of the world. As
> >> are the Laughlin hotels.
> >
> >Vegas is pretty close, right? Would it be worthwhile for y'all to
> >commute to the meet?
> >
> >> If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have
> >> some cheap screwtop wines chilled.
> >
> >There are also some good wines with screw tops now, so make sure
> >you get the cheap stuff.
>
> Trader Joe's $2 Merlot actually got a good review in today's local paper.
>

i saw an interview with some wine expert who was saying that corks (with
modern technology of screw tops) were actually an inferior system for
sealing wine bottles. however, the stigma of a metal or plastic cap on a
bottle of wine is too much for people to get over. he said nobody would pay
$50 for a bottle of wine that didn't use a cork, and he is probably right.

whit

Ellis
November 27th 03, 10:51 AM
"thewhit" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> Lucas Buck > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 27 Nov 2003 02:12:59 GMT, "Wayne S. Hill" > wrote:
> >
> > >David Cohen wrote:
> > >
> > >> To be honest, we long-time Las Vegans are really spoiled.
> > >> World class hotels, world class restaurants, world class
> > >> strip clubs. We forget that the Casablanca Hotel in
> > >> Mesquite, and the Purple Fez Restaurant within, are actually
> > >> considered pretty fancy to most of the rest of the world. As
> > >> are the Laughlin hotels.
> > >
> > >Vegas is pretty close, right? Would it be worthwhile for y'all to
> > >commute to the meet?
> > >
> > >> If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have
> > >> some cheap screwtop wines chilled.
> > >
> > >There are also some good wines with screw tops now, so make sure
> > >you get the cheap stuff.
> >
> > Trader Joe's $2 Merlot actually got a good review in today's local
paper.
> >
>
> i saw an interview with some wine expert who was saying that corks (with
> modern technology of screw tops) were actually an inferior system for
> sealing wine bottles.

Yes, I believe this is true.

> however, the stigma of a metal or plastic cap on a
> bottle of wine is too much for people to get over. he said nobody would
pay
> $50 for a bottle of wine that didn't use a cork, and he is probably right.


Probably - last I heard though, they were trying some lateral marketing
(this is in the UK) and bringing out some expensive (~ 100 / $150 / bottle)
wine with a screwtop so that people would stop and think. Dunno how that's
working out.

My knowledge of wine is slim, but I *like* pulling a cork, it's part of the
thing. And I'm not convinced my palate would appreciate the 2% (or
whatever) difference a "superior" sealing system may make.

Ellis
--
Discipline brings you freedom

John HUDSON
November 27th 03, 10:56 AM
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:33:46 GMT, "thewhit" > wrote:

>
>Lucas Buck > wrote in message
...
>> On 27 Nov 2003 02:12:59 GMT, "Wayne S. Hill" > wrote:
>>
>> >David Cohen wrote:
>> >
>> >> To be honest, we long-time Las Vegans are really spoiled.
>> >> World class hotels, world class restaurants, world class
>> >> strip clubs. We forget that the Casablanca Hotel in
>> >> Mesquite, and the Purple Fez Restaurant within, are actually
>> >> considered pretty fancy to most of the rest of the world. As
>> >> are the Laughlin hotels.
>> >
>> >Vegas is pretty close, right? Would it be worthwhile for y'all to
>> >commute to the meet?
>> >
>> >> If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have
>> >> some cheap screwtop wines chilled.
>> >
>> >There are also some good wines with screw tops now, so make sure
>> >you get the cheap stuff.
>>
>> Trader Joe's $2 Merlot actually got a good review in today's local paper.
>>
>
>i saw an interview with some wine expert who was saying that corks (with
>modern technology of screw tops) were actually an inferior system for
>sealing wine bottles. however, the stigma of a metal or plastic cap on a
>bottle of wine is too much for people to get over. he said nobody would pay
>$50 for a bottle of wine that didn't use a cork, and he is probably right.

Plastic 'corks' are becoming increasingly popular and at the lower end
of the market make no difference to the consumer.

However, the 'connoisseurs', who are well-known for their
affectations, will throw up their hands in horror at such inroads into
tradition.

Plastic 'corks' do mean that the long-term storeage of wine is a
great deal more flexible.

>
>whit
>
>

Keith Hobman
November 27th 03, 02:17 PM
In article . net>, "David
Cohen" > wrote:
>
> If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have some cheap
> screwtop wines chilled.

Perhaps we should go all the way - I'll see if I can find a bottle of
'Choke 76', AKA 'the deadly'.

Chokecherry wine, but it has to be about 60-80 proof. Used to bring it out
for rugby tournaments.

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

Lee Michaels
November 27th 03, 04:20 PM
"thewhit" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> Lucas Buck > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 27 Nov 2003 02:12:59 GMT, "Wayne S. Hill" > wrote:
> >
> > >David Cohen wrote:
> > >
> > >> To be honest, we long-time Las Vegans are really spoiled.
> > >> World class hotels, world class restaurants, world class
> > >> strip clubs. We forget that the Casablanca Hotel in
> > >> Mesquite, and the Purple Fez Restaurant within, are actually
> > >> considered pretty fancy to most of the rest of the world. As
> > >> are the Laughlin hotels.
> > >
> > >Vegas is pretty close, right? Would it be worthwhile for y'all to
> > >commute to the meet?
> > >
> > >> If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have
> > >> some cheap screwtop wines chilled.
> > >
> > >There are also some good wines with screw tops now, so make sure
> > >you get the cheap stuff.
> >
> > Trader Joe's $2 Merlot actually got a good review in today's local
paper.
> >
>
> i saw an interview with some wine expert who was saying that corks (with
> modern technology of screw tops) were actually an inferior system for
> sealing wine bottles. however, the stigma of a metal or plastic cap on a
> bottle of wine is too much for people to get over. he said nobody would
pay
> $50 for a bottle of wine that didn't use a cork, and he is probably right.
>

In addition to that, the supply of quality cork is limited. So we are seeing
"reconstituted" cork. The wine world's version of partical board.

And, of course, the plastic cork is making its inroads everywhere. One
byproduct of these non corks is that many of the old corkscrews and bottle
opening devices don't work very well. They aren't sturdy enough.

Evidently there is a big push to find a plastic that will make a good
artificial cork. They can do OK on the color, but not density. Anything
plastic that looks and feels like cork, doesn't do a good job of sealing the
wine.

Just a thought. If somebody did design a realistic cork subsitute, they
would probably become very wealthy as a result. After all, appearances are
far more important than function. (or superior sealing technology)

Wayne S. Hill
November 27th 03, 04:47 PM
Lee Michaels wrote:

> Just a thought. If somebody did design a realistic cork
> subsitute, they would probably become very wealthy as a
> result. After all, appearances are far more important than
> function. (or superior sealing technology)

The joke of it is that a properly designed screw cap would be
bubble-tight to a 1000 psi.

--
-Wayne

thewhit
November 27th 03, 11:56 PM
Wayne S. Hill > wrote in message
...
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> > Just a thought. If somebody did design a realistic cork
> > subsitute, they would probably become very wealthy as a
> > result. After all, appearances are far more important than
> > function. (or superior sealing technology)
>
> The joke of it is that a properly designed screw cap would be
> bubble-tight to a 1000 psi.
>
> --
> -Wayne

right. that's my point. but an expensive bottle of wine with a screwtop is
a very hard sell

whit

thewhit
November 27th 03, 11:57 PM
Keith Hobman > wrote in message
...
> In article . net>, "David
> Cohen" > wrote:
> >
> > If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have some cheap
> > screwtop wines chilled.
>
> Perhaps we should go all the way - I'll see if I can find a bottle of
> 'Choke 76', AKA 'the deadly'.
>
> Chokecherry wine, but it has to be about 60-80 proof. Used to bring it out
> for rugby tournaments.
>

i used to eat chokecherry's all the time. had trees in my yard.

my dad used to make wine. we used pear, apple, grapes, etc.

don't ever recall using chokecherries.

whit

> --
> Keith Hobman
>
> --- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

Bob Mann
November 28th 03, 04:32 AM
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:33:46 GMT, "thewhit" > wrote:

>
>Lucas Buck > wrote in message
...
>> On 27 Nov 2003 02:12:59 GMT, "Wayne S. Hill" > wrote:
>>
>> >David Cohen wrote:
>> >
>> >> To be honest, we long-time Las Vegans are really spoiled.
>> >> World class hotels, world class restaurants, world class
>> >> strip clubs. We forget that the Casablanca Hotel in
>> >> Mesquite, and the Purple Fez Restaurant within, are actually
>> >> considered pretty fancy to most of the rest of the world. As
>> >> are the Laughlin hotels.
>> >
>> >Vegas is pretty close, right? Would it be worthwhile for y'all to
>> >commute to the meet?
>> >
>> >> If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have
>> >> some cheap screwtop wines chilled.
>> >
>> >There are also some good wines with screw tops now, so make sure
>> >you get the cheap stuff.
>>
>> Trader Joe's $2 Merlot actually got a good review in today's local paper.
>>
>
>i saw an interview with some wine expert who was saying that corks (with
>modern technology of screw tops) were actually an inferior system for
>sealing wine bottles. however, the stigma of a metal or plastic cap on a
>bottle of wine is too much for people to get over. he said nobody would pay
>$50 for a bottle of wine that didn't use a cork, and he is probably right.
>
>whit
>
>
Had a bottle with a plastic cork the other day.
Kind of strange.
The best system is the collapsible plastic foil bag in a box but it
isn't classy enough I guess.
--
Bob Mann

It's always darkest just before dawn.
So, if you're going to steal the neighbour's newspaper,
That's the time to do it.

Bob Mann
November 28th 03, 04:35 AM
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:17:45 -0600, (Keith Hobman)
wrote:

>In article . net>, "David
>Cohen" > wrote:
>>
>> If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have some cheap
>> screwtop wines chilled.
>
>Perhaps we should go all the way - I'll see if I can find a bottle of
>'Choke 76', AKA 'the deadly'.
>
>Chokecherry wine, but it has to be about 60-80 proof. Used to bring it out
>for rugby tournaments.

I got some "Carabou" mixed up down in the basement. ;-)
--
Bob Mann

It's always darkest just before dawn.
So, if you're going to steal the neighbour's newspaper,
That's the time to do it.

Bob Mann
November 28th 03, 04:35 AM
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:57:17 GMT, "thewhit" > wrote:

>i used to eat chokecherry's all the time. had trees in my yard.
>
>my dad used to make wine. we used pear, apple, grapes, etc.
>
>don't ever recall using chokecherries.

That's because you ate them all.
--
Bob Mann

It's always darkest just before dawn.
So, if you're going to steal the neighbour's newspaper,
That's the time to do it.

Keith Hobman
November 28th 03, 02:00 PM
In article . net>,
"thewhit" > wrote:

> Keith Hobman > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . net>, "David
> > Cohen" > wrote:
> > >
> > > If Audrey's coming, we better check to make sure they have some cheap
> > > screwtop wines chilled.
> >
> > Perhaps we should go all the way - I'll see if I can find a bottle of
> > 'Choke 76', AKA 'the deadly'.
> >
> > Chokecherry wine, but it has to be about 60-80 proof. Used to bring it out
> > for rugby tournaments.
> >
>
> i used to eat chokecherry's all the time. had trees in my yard.
>
> my dad used to make wine. we used pear, apple, grapes, etc.
>
> don't ever recall using chokecherries.

A guy on the team had hundreds of bottles of the stuff. It used to be in
saskatchewan you couldn't buy beer on Sunday. And of course the rugby
tournament wind-ups were on Sunday. We almost always ran out of the beer.
You'd tell the person who got the license to allow at least 12 beer per
person, but they would go to the liquor store who would use some formula
which said you only need 4 per person and even for rugby doubling that
should be enough and you'd run out.

So off Luke would go to his place for choke 76...

Killed more than a few brain cells with that ****.

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

elzinator
November 28th 03, 02:11 PM
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:55:41 GMT, "David Cohen"
> wrote:

>
>"gps" > wrote in message
...
>> Keith Hobman wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <[email protected]_s04>, "Hoff"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Keith Hobman" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > > I just downloaded the AAU World records for age 45-49 raw. I
>figure both
>> > > > the 198 and the 220 are pretty doable.
>> > > >
>> > > > When exactly is the December world meet next year? Might give
>me some
>> > > > focus for raw lifting.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > December 5-6
>> > >
>> > >
>http://www.aausports.org/department.cfm?departmentID=292&publicationID=45
>> > >
>> > > Damn, we really DO have to enter a Team MFW.
>> >
>> > That would be fun. We could arrange to fly into Las Vegas and rent
>a 15
>> > passenger or whatever it would take to get us all down there.
>>
>> Not to be a party pooper, but we'll just drive up.
>
>I'm just gonna' walk.
>
>David
>Laughlin: Making Mesquite Look Like The Bellagio

And no screw-top wine....

And we'd better make dinner reservations. We nearly didn't all fit at
the table the last time.

John Hanson
November 28th 03, 03:42 PM
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:00:11 -0600, (Keith Hobman)
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:


>
>A guy on the team had hundreds of bottles of the stuff. It used to be in
>saskatchewan you couldn't buy beer on Sunday.

In Minnesota, we still can't unless it's 3.2 beer that is sold at the
grocery store. Liquor stores can't be open on Sunday and grocery
stores can only sell 3.2 beer. They can't even sell wine. You can't
buy a car from a dealership here on Sunday either. Talk about strange
blue laws. Fortunately, I'm only 15 minutes from Wisconsin.