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jmgood
April 26th 04, 03:50 PM
I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
trick?

My diet is based around:
35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
15% Fats

Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
cycling twice a week.

Kromagnon
April 26th 04, 04:58 PM
jmgood wrote:
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> very full. so what is the trick?

I would cut the /day addition down to 150 kcal/day. 500 kcal/day would add 1
lb a week; not likely that would be muscle. :)

A 150 kcal/day increase would add 15 lbs. in a year; much more realistic
than 51 lbs/year at 500 kcal/day.


Kromagnon

>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

Kromagnon
April 26th 04, 04:58 PM
jmgood wrote:
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> very full. so what is the trick?

I would cut the /day addition down to 150 kcal/day. 500 kcal/day would add 1
lb a week; not likely that would be muscle. :)

A 150 kcal/day increase would add 15 lbs. in a year; much more realistic
than 51 lbs/year at 500 kcal/day.


Kromagnon

>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

Kromagnon
April 26th 04, 04:58 PM
jmgood wrote:
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> very full. so what is the trick?

I would cut the /day addition down to 150 kcal/day. 500 kcal/day would add 1
lb a week; not likely that would be muscle. :)

A 150 kcal/day increase would add 15 lbs. in a year; much more realistic
than 51 lbs/year at 500 kcal/day.


Kromagnon

>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

Hugh Beyer
April 26th 04, 06:19 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in
:

> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant,
> so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so
> what is the trick?
>

Open mouth. Insert food. Chew. Swallow.

Open mouth. <urp> Insert food. Chew. Swallow.

Open <urp> mouth. Insert <yuck> food. Chew. Chew. Swallo<urp> Swallow.

Open <argh> mouth. <urp urp> Insert <ugh> food. <bleagh> Chew. Chew Chew.
Swallow. <barf>



Hugh, who's glad to be feeling hungry again


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Hugh Beyer
April 26th 04, 06:19 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in
:

> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant,
> so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so
> what is the trick?
>

Open mouth. Insert food. Chew. Swallow.

Open mouth. <urp> Insert food. Chew. Swallow.

Open <urp> mouth. Insert <yuck> food. Chew. Chew. Swallo<urp> Swallow.

Open <argh> mouth. <urp urp> Insert <ugh> food. <bleagh> Chew. Chew Chew.
Swallow. <barf>



Hugh, who's glad to be feeling hungry again


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Hugh Beyer
April 26th 04, 06:19 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in
:

> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant,
> so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so
> what is the trick?
>

Open mouth. Insert food. Chew. Swallow.

Open mouth. <urp> Insert food. Chew. Swallow.

Open <urp> mouth. Insert <yuck> food. Chew. Chew. Swallo<urp> Swallow.

Open <argh> mouth. <urp urp> Insert <ugh> food. <bleagh> Chew. Chew Chew.
Swallow. <barf>



Hugh, who's glad to be feeling hungry again


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xahrx
April 26th 04, 08:23 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?

You seem to have a decent balance in your diet, how many meals are you
eating a day? If you're currently eating 3 squares go for four or
five, or even six if workable. Keep the same balance you've got of
protein carbs and fat. If you go for six meals and keep them each
above the 500 Kcal mark you've already got 3000 Kcal to work with.
And I do mean a meal, not a meal replacement or shake. Simple meat
sandwiches are a good, easy start. A couple extra shakes on top of
that and you're rolling. Eating those smaller more frequent meals
keeps you satisfied but also won't leave you feeling stuffed, so it's
easier to go higher in calories that way.

If you're already eating that frequently then I'd guess you need to
learn *not* to control your portions so well. Go for some extra
chicken or something when possible. Eat out but eat healthy, they'll
tend to up your portions are restaurants and delis on average, giving
you more to work with.

xahrx
April 26th 04, 08:23 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?

You seem to have a decent balance in your diet, how many meals are you
eating a day? If you're currently eating 3 squares go for four or
five, or even six if workable. Keep the same balance you've got of
protein carbs and fat. If you go for six meals and keep them each
above the 500 Kcal mark you've already got 3000 Kcal to work with.
And I do mean a meal, not a meal replacement or shake. Simple meat
sandwiches are a good, easy start. A couple extra shakes on top of
that and you're rolling. Eating those smaller more frequent meals
keeps you satisfied but also won't leave you feeling stuffed, so it's
easier to go higher in calories that way.

If you're already eating that frequently then I'd guess you need to
learn *not* to control your portions so well. Go for some extra
chicken or something when possible. Eat out but eat healthy, they'll
tend to up your portions are restaurants and delis on average, giving
you more to work with.

xahrx
April 26th 04, 08:23 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?

You seem to have a decent balance in your diet, how many meals are you
eating a day? If you're currently eating 3 squares go for four or
five, or even six if workable. Keep the same balance you've got of
protein carbs and fat. If you go for six meals and keep them each
above the 500 Kcal mark you've already got 3000 Kcal to work with.
And I do mean a meal, not a meal replacement or shake. Simple meat
sandwiches are a good, easy start. A couple extra shakes on top of
that and you're rolling. Eating those smaller more frequent meals
keeps you satisfied but also won't leave you feeling stuffed, so it's
easier to go higher in calories that way.

If you're already eating that frequently then I'd guess you need to
learn *not* to control your portions so well. Go for some extra
chicken or something when possible. Eat out but eat healthy, they'll
tend to up your portions are restaurants and delis on average, giving
you more to work with.

Will Brink
April 26th 04, 08:59 PM
In article >,
"jmgood" > wrote:

> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?

Pizza.

>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.
>
>

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

Will Brink
April 26th 04, 08:59 PM
In article >,
"jmgood" > wrote:

> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?

Pizza.

>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.
>
>

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

Will Brink
April 26th 04, 08:59 PM
In article >,
"jmgood" > wrote:

> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?

Pizza.

>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.
>
>

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

DRS
April 26th 04, 09:26 PM
jmgood wrote:
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> very full. so what is the trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats

You need more fats. Anyway, this makes two largish drinks to be taken in
addition to your regular meals:

56g (2 serves) Optimum Nutrition Whey Protein or equivalent
500ml (2 cups) Skim Milk
250ml (1 cup) Skim Milk Powder
1 banana
50g unsalted peanuts/peanut butter
4 teaspoons Nestle Malted Milk Drink/Sustagen/Malt flavour Milo etc
1 tablespoon Malt Extract or honey (to taste)

There's over 1200 calories in that little lot, plus loads of calcium,
phosphorus, potassium and vitamins A, C and B-group. Just don't go
overboard with the malt extract as it's incredibly sweet. Personally, I
tend to leave the peanuts out since I'm not keen on nut-flavoured drinks and
use them throughout the day as nibblies.

--

"I'm proud that I live in a country where witnessing two hours of bloody,
barbarous torture in gloating detail is considered indicia of religious
piety, whereas a mere second gazing upon a woman's breast is cause for
outraged apoplexy."
Betty Bowers, http://www.bettybowers.com/melgibsonpassion.html

DRS
April 26th 04, 09:26 PM
jmgood wrote:
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> very full. so what is the trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats

You need more fats. Anyway, this makes two largish drinks to be taken in
addition to your regular meals:

56g (2 serves) Optimum Nutrition Whey Protein or equivalent
500ml (2 cups) Skim Milk
250ml (1 cup) Skim Milk Powder
1 banana
50g unsalted peanuts/peanut butter
4 teaspoons Nestle Malted Milk Drink/Sustagen/Malt flavour Milo etc
1 tablespoon Malt Extract or honey (to taste)

There's over 1200 calories in that little lot, plus loads of calcium,
phosphorus, potassium and vitamins A, C and B-group. Just don't go
overboard with the malt extract as it's incredibly sweet. Personally, I
tend to leave the peanuts out since I'm not keen on nut-flavoured drinks and
use them throughout the day as nibblies.

--

"I'm proud that I live in a country where witnessing two hours of bloody,
barbarous torture in gloating detail is considered indicia of religious
piety, whereas a mere second gazing upon a woman's breast is cause for
outraged apoplexy."
Betty Bowers, http://www.bettybowers.com/melgibsonpassion.html

DRS
April 26th 04, 09:26 PM
jmgood wrote:
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> very full. so what is the trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats

You need more fats. Anyway, this makes two largish drinks to be taken in
addition to your regular meals:

56g (2 serves) Optimum Nutrition Whey Protein or equivalent
500ml (2 cups) Skim Milk
250ml (1 cup) Skim Milk Powder
1 banana
50g unsalted peanuts/peanut butter
4 teaspoons Nestle Malted Milk Drink/Sustagen/Malt flavour Milo etc
1 tablespoon Malt Extract or honey (to taste)

There's over 1200 calories in that little lot, plus loads of calcium,
phosphorus, potassium and vitamins A, C and B-group. Just don't go
overboard with the malt extract as it's incredibly sweet. Personally, I
tend to leave the peanuts out since I'm not keen on nut-flavoured drinks and
use them throughout the day as nibblies.

--

"I'm proud that I live in a country where witnessing two hours of bloody,
barbarous torture in gloating detail is considered indicia of religious
piety, whereas a mere second gazing upon a woman's breast is cause for
outraged apoplexy."
Betty Bowers, http://www.bettybowers.com/melgibsonpassion.html

Brian Link
April 27th 04, 12:19 AM
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:50:46 +0100, "jmgood" >
wrote:

>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>trick?
>
>My diet is based around:
>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>15% Fats
>
>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>cycling twice a week.
>

There's a great article out on the web somewhere called "skinny guy's
guide to weight gain" or something. I just did a GIS and couldn't find
it, but iirc it's on a bodybuilding site somewhere. You could try to
google this group, cause I think that's where I saw it first.

The premise was along the lines of - you need to find foods that are
high in useful calories but don't produce the full feeling.

Anyway, grab a bag of pistachios while you're waiting. High calorie,
decent protein, and you can eat a ton before you notice you've eaten a
ton.

Brian Link, Minnesota Countertenor
----------------------------------
"If ever a thing of beauty was to be worshipped
a dugong would be this thing in question."

Brian Link
April 27th 04, 12:19 AM
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:50:46 +0100, "jmgood" >
wrote:

>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>trick?
>
>My diet is based around:
>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>15% Fats
>
>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>cycling twice a week.
>

There's a great article out on the web somewhere called "skinny guy's
guide to weight gain" or something. I just did a GIS and couldn't find
it, but iirc it's on a bodybuilding site somewhere. You could try to
google this group, cause I think that's where I saw it first.

The premise was along the lines of - you need to find foods that are
high in useful calories but don't produce the full feeling.

Anyway, grab a bag of pistachios while you're waiting. High calorie,
decent protein, and you can eat a ton before you notice you've eaten a
ton.

Brian Link, Minnesota Countertenor
----------------------------------
"If ever a thing of beauty was to be worshipped
a dugong would be this thing in question."

Brian Link
April 27th 04, 12:19 AM
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:50:46 +0100, "jmgood" >
wrote:

>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>trick?
>
>My diet is based around:
>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>15% Fats
>
>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>cycling twice a week.
>

There's a great article out on the web somewhere called "skinny guy's
guide to weight gain" or something. I just did a GIS and couldn't find
it, but iirc it's on a bodybuilding site somewhere. You could try to
google this group, cause I think that's where I saw it first.

The premise was along the lines of - you need to find foods that are
high in useful calories but don't produce the full feeling.

Anyway, grab a bag of pistachios while you're waiting. High calorie,
decent protein, and you can eat a ton before you notice you've eaten a
ton.

Brian Link, Minnesota Countertenor
----------------------------------
"If ever a thing of beauty was to be worshipped
a dugong would be this thing in question."

John Hanson
April 27th 04, 05:17 AM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

Beer!

John Hanson
April 27th 04, 05:17 AM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

Beer!

John Hanson
April 27th 04, 05:17 AM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

Beer!

Brian Link
April 27th 04, 06:10 AM
On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
wrote:

>"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>> trick?
>>
>> My diet is based around:
>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>> 15% Fats
>>
>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>> cycling twice a week.
>
>Beer!

Before, during or after the workout?

BLink

Brian Link
April 27th 04, 06:10 AM
On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
wrote:

>"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>> trick?
>>
>> My diet is based around:
>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>> 15% Fats
>>
>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>> cycling twice a week.
>
>Beer!

Before, during or after the workout?

BLink

Brian Link
April 27th 04, 06:10 AM
On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
wrote:

>"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>> trick?
>>
>> My diet is based around:
>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>> 15% Fats
>>
>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>> cycling twice a week.
>
>Beer!

Before, during or after the workout?

BLink

Proton Soup
April 27th 04, 06:35 AM
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:

>On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
>wrote:
>
>>"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
>>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>>> trick?
>>>
>>> My diet is based around:
>>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>>> 15% Fats
>>>
>>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>>> cycling twice a week.
>>
>>Beer!
>
>Before, during or after the workout?

Yes!

24 hours in a day.

24 beers in a case.

Coincidence?

I don't think so.


Proton Soup

Proton Soup
April 27th 04, 06:35 AM
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:

>On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
>wrote:
>
>>"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
>>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>>> trick?
>>>
>>> My diet is based around:
>>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>>> 15% Fats
>>>
>>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>>> cycling twice a week.
>>
>>Beer!
>
>Before, during or after the workout?

Yes!

24 hours in a day.

24 beers in a case.

Coincidence?

I don't think so.


Proton Soup

Proton Soup
April 27th 04, 06:35 AM
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:

>On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
>wrote:
>
>>"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
>>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>>> trick?
>>>
>>> My diet is based around:
>>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>>> 15% Fats
>>>
>>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>>> cycling twice a week.
>>
>>Beer!
>
>Before, during or after the workout?

Yes!

24 hours in a day.

24 beers in a case.

Coincidence?

I don't think so.


Proton Soup

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 07:55 AM
<Proton Soup> wrote in message
s.com...
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:
>
> >On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>"jmgood" > wrote in message
>...
> >>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
found
> >>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so
I
> >>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what
is the
> >>> trick?
> >>>
> >>> My diet is based around:
> >>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >>> 15% Fats
> >>>
> >>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >>> cycling twice a week.
> >>
> >>Beer!
> >
> >Before, during or after the workout?
>
> Yes!
>
> 24 hours in a day.
>
> 24 beers in a case.
>
> Coincidence?
>
> I don't think so.
>
>
> Proton Soup

lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.

-Larry

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 07:55 AM
<Proton Soup> wrote in message
s.com...
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:
>
> >On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>"jmgood" > wrote in message
>...
> >>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
found
> >>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so
I
> >>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what
is the
> >>> trick?
> >>>
> >>> My diet is based around:
> >>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >>> 15% Fats
> >>>
> >>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >>> cycling twice a week.
> >>
> >>Beer!
> >
> >Before, during or after the workout?
>
> Yes!
>
> 24 hours in a day.
>
> 24 beers in a case.
>
> Coincidence?
>
> I don't think so.
>
>
> Proton Soup

lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.

-Larry

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 07:55 AM
<Proton Soup> wrote in message
s.com...
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:
>
> >On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>"jmgood" > wrote in message
>...
> >>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
found
> >>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so
I
> >>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what
is the
> >>> trick?
> >>>
> >>> My diet is based around:
> >>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >>> 15% Fats
> >>>
> >>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >>> cycling twice a week.
> >>
> >>Beer!
> >
> >Before, during or after the workout?
>
> Yes!
>
> 24 hours in a day.
>
> 24 beers in a case.
>
> Coincidence?
>
> I don't think so.
>
>
> Proton Soup

lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.

-Larry

The Fonz
April 27th 04, 12:37 PM
> >
> > 24 hours in a day.
> >
> > 24 beers in a case.
> >
> > Coincidence?
> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
> >
> > Proton Soup
>
> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
>
> -Larry

Was that in an episode of the Simpsons, or am I remembering it from somewhere else?

The Fonz
April 27th 04, 12:37 PM
> >
> > 24 hours in a day.
> >
> > 24 beers in a case.
> >
> > Coincidence?
> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
> >
> > Proton Soup
>
> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
>
> -Larry

Was that in an episode of the Simpsons, or am I remembering it from somewhere else?

The Fonz
April 27th 04, 12:37 PM
> >
> > 24 hours in a day.
> >
> > 24 beers in a case.
> >
> > Coincidence?
> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
> >
> > Proton Soup
>
> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
>
> -Larry

Was that in an episode of the Simpsons, or am I remembering it from somewhere else?

Jim Ranieri
April 27th 04, 01:05 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
...
> <Proton Soup> wrote in message
> s.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:
> >
> > >On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>"jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
> > >>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
I
> found
> > >>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant,
so
> I
> > >>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so
what
> is the
> > >>> trick?
> > >>>
> > >>> My diet is based around:
> > >>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > >>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > >>> 15% Fats
> > >>>
> > >>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week +
some
> > >>> cycling twice a week.
> > >>
> > >>Beer!
> > >
> > >Before, during or after the workout?
> >
> > Yes!
> >
> > 24 hours in a day.
> >
> > 24 beers in a case.
> >
> > Coincidence?
> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
> >
> > Proton Soup
>
> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
>
> -Larry
>
>

That's originally attributed to Paul Newman - at Princeton there's an annual
Newman's Day (last Sat. actually) where students try to drink 24 beers in 24
hours.
Newman's trying to put a halt to it.

Jim Ranieri
April 27th 04, 01:05 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
...
> <Proton Soup> wrote in message
> s.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:
> >
> > >On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>"jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
> > >>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
I
> found
> > >>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant,
so
> I
> > >>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so
what
> is the
> > >>> trick?
> > >>>
> > >>> My diet is based around:
> > >>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > >>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > >>> 15% Fats
> > >>>
> > >>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week +
some
> > >>> cycling twice a week.
> > >>
> > >>Beer!
> > >
> > >Before, during or after the workout?
> >
> > Yes!
> >
> > 24 hours in a day.
> >
> > 24 beers in a case.
> >
> > Coincidence?
> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
> >
> > Proton Soup
>
> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
>
> -Larry
>
>

That's originally attributed to Paul Newman - at Princeton there's an annual
Newman's Day (last Sat. actually) where students try to drink 24 beers in 24
hours.
Newman's trying to put a halt to it.

Jim Ranieri
April 27th 04, 01:05 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
...
> <Proton Soup> wrote in message
> s.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:
> >
> > >On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>"jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
> > >>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
I
> found
> > >>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant,
so
> I
> > >>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so
what
> is the
> > >>> trick?
> > >>>
> > >>> My diet is based around:
> > >>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > >>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > >>> 15% Fats
> > >>>
> > >>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week +
some
> > >>> cycling twice a week.
> > >>
> > >>Beer!
> > >
> > >Before, during or after the workout?
> >
> > Yes!
> >
> > 24 hours in a day.
> >
> > 24 beers in a case.
> >
> > Coincidence?
> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
> >
> > Proton Soup
>
> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
>
> -Larry
>
>

That's originally attributed to Paul Newman - at Princeton there's an annual
Newman's Day (last Sat. actually) where students try to drink 24 beers in 24
hours.
Newman's trying to put a halt to it.

Stephen Mulholland
April 27th 04, 01:12 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.

Stephen

Stephen Mulholland
April 27th 04, 01:12 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.

Stephen

Stephen Mulholland
April 27th 04, 01:12 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.

Stephen

ShaneOttawa
April 27th 04, 04:15 PM
Proton Soup <> wrote in message news:
> >>Beer!
> >
> >Before, during or after the workout?
>
> Yes!
>
> 24 hours in a day.
>
> 24 beers in a case.
>
> Coincidence?
>
> I don't think so.
>
>
> Proton Soup

And of course, drinking lots of beer leads to other food decisions,
such as "let's have some deep fried cheese wrapped in bacon".

ShaneOttawa
April 27th 04, 04:15 PM
Proton Soup <> wrote in message news:
> >>Beer!
> >
> >Before, during or after the workout?
>
> Yes!
>
> 24 hours in a day.
>
> 24 beers in a case.
>
> Coincidence?
>
> I don't think so.
>
>
> Proton Soup

And of course, drinking lots of beer leads to other food decisions,
such as "let's have some deep fried cheese wrapped in bacon".

ShaneOttawa
April 27th 04, 04:15 PM
Proton Soup <> wrote in message news:
> >>Beer!
> >
> >Before, during or after the workout?
>
> Yes!
>
> 24 hours in a day.
>
> 24 beers in a case.
>
> Coincidence?
>
> I don't think so.
>
>
> Proton Soup

And of course, drinking lots of beer leads to other food decisions,
such as "let's have some deep fried cheese wrapped in bacon".

Proton Soup
April 27th 04, 04:26 PM
On 27 Apr 2004 04:37:06 -0700, (The Fonz) wrote:

>> >
>> > 24 hours in a day.
>> >
>> > 24 beers in a case.
>> >
>> > Coincidence?
>> >
>> > I don't think so.
>> >
>> >
>> > Proton Soup
>>
>> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
>>
>> -Larry
>
>Was that in an episode of the Simpsons, or am I remembering it from somewhere else?

I forgot who I stole it from, but the Simpsons has stolen pretty much
everything, so... could be.

Proton Soup

Proton Soup
April 27th 04, 04:26 PM
On 27 Apr 2004 04:37:06 -0700, (The Fonz) wrote:

>> >
>> > 24 hours in a day.
>> >
>> > 24 beers in a case.
>> >
>> > Coincidence?
>> >
>> > I don't think so.
>> >
>> >
>> > Proton Soup
>>
>> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
>>
>> -Larry
>
>Was that in an episode of the Simpsons, or am I remembering it from somewhere else?

I forgot who I stole it from, but the Simpsons has stolen pretty much
everything, so... could be.

Proton Soup

Proton Soup
April 27th 04, 04:26 PM
On 27 Apr 2004 04:37:06 -0700, (The Fonz) wrote:

>> >
>> > 24 hours in a day.
>> >
>> > 24 beers in a case.
>> >
>> > Coincidence?
>> >
>> > I don't think so.
>> >
>> >
>> > Proton Soup
>>
>> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
>>
>> -Larry
>
>Was that in an episode of the Simpsons, or am I remembering it from somewhere else?

I forgot who I stole it from, but the Simpsons has stolen pretty much
everything, so... could be.

Proton Soup

DRS
April 27th 04, 04:40 PM
<Proton Soup> wrote in message
s.com
> On 27 Apr 2004 04:37:06 -0700, (The Fonz) wrote:
>
>>>> 24 hours in a day.
>>>>
>>>> 24 beers in a case.
>>>>
>>>> Coincidence?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so.
>>>
>>> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that
>>> myself.
>>
>> Was that in an episode of the Simpsons, or am I remembering it from
>> somewhere else?
>
> I forgot who I stole it from, but the Simpsons has stolen pretty much
> everything, so... could be.

Who cares? As Krusty says, "Hey, that's going in the act!"

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

DRS
April 27th 04, 04:40 PM
<Proton Soup> wrote in message
s.com
> On 27 Apr 2004 04:37:06 -0700, (The Fonz) wrote:
>
>>>> 24 hours in a day.
>>>>
>>>> 24 beers in a case.
>>>>
>>>> Coincidence?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so.
>>>
>>> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that
>>> myself.
>>
>> Was that in an episode of the Simpsons, or am I remembering it from
>> somewhere else?
>
> I forgot who I stole it from, but the Simpsons has stolen pretty much
> everything, so... could be.

Who cares? As Krusty says, "Hey, that's going in the act!"

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

DRS
April 27th 04, 04:40 PM
<Proton Soup> wrote in message
s.com
> On 27 Apr 2004 04:37:06 -0700, (The Fonz) wrote:
>
>>>> 24 hours in a day.
>>>>
>>>> 24 beers in a case.
>>>>
>>>> Coincidence?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so.
>>>
>>> lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that
>>> myself.
>>
>> Was that in an episode of the Simpsons, or am I remembering it from
>> somewhere else?
>
> I forgot who I stole it from, but the Simpsons has stolen pretty much
> everything, so... could be.

Who cares? As Krusty says, "Hey, that's going in the act!"

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

Art S
April 27th 04, 04:56 PM
"Jim Ranieri" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
> ...
> > <Proton Soup> wrote in message
> > s.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>"jmgood" > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > >>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> I
> > found
> > > >>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant,
> so
> > I
> > > >>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so
> what
> > is the
> > > >>> trick?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My diet is based around:
> > > >>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > > >>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > > >>> 15% Fats
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week +
> some
> > > >>> cycling twice a week.
> > > >>
> > > >>Beer!
> > > >
> > > >Before, during or after the workout?
> > >
> > > Yes!
> > >
> > > 24 hours in a day.
> > >
> > > 24 beers in a case.
> > >
> > > Coincidence?
> > >
> > > I don't think so.
> > >
> > >
> > > Proton Soup
> >
> > lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
> >
> > -Larry
> >
> >
>
> That's originally attributed to Paul Newman - at Princeton there's an annual
> Newman's Day (last Sat. actually) where students try to drink 24 beers in 24
> hours.
> Newman's trying to put a halt to it.
>

He's also stating that he NEVER made the comment.

Art

Art S
April 27th 04, 04:56 PM
"Jim Ranieri" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
> ...
> > <Proton Soup> wrote in message
> > s.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>"jmgood" > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > >>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> I
> > found
> > > >>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant,
> so
> > I
> > > >>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so
> what
> > is the
> > > >>> trick?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My diet is based around:
> > > >>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > > >>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > > >>> 15% Fats
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week +
> some
> > > >>> cycling twice a week.
> > > >>
> > > >>Beer!
> > > >
> > > >Before, during or after the workout?
> > >
> > > Yes!
> > >
> > > 24 hours in a day.
> > >
> > > 24 beers in a case.
> > >
> > > Coincidence?
> > >
> > > I don't think so.
> > >
> > >
> > > Proton Soup
> >
> > lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
> >
> > -Larry
> >
> >
>
> That's originally attributed to Paul Newman - at Princeton there's an annual
> Newman's Day (last Sat. actually) where students try to drink 24 beers in 24
> hours.
> Newman's trying to put a halt to it.
>

He's also stating that he NEVER made the comment.

Art

Art S
April 27th 04, 04:56 PM
"Jim Ranieri" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
> ...
> > <Proton Soup> wrote in message
> > s.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:10:16 -0500, Brian Link > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 26 Apr 2004 21:17:02 -0700, (John Hanson)
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>"jmgood" > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > >>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> I
> > found
> > > >>> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant,
> so
> > I
> > > >>> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so
> what
> > is the
> > > >>> trick?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My diet is based around:
> > > >>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > > >>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > > >>> 15% Fats
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week +
> some
> > > >>> cycling twice a week.
> > > >>
> > > >>Beer!
> > > >
> > > >Before, during or after the workout?
> > >
> > > Yes!
> > >
> > > 24 hours in a day.
> > >
> > > 24 beers in a case.
> > >
> > > Coincidence?
> > >
> > > I don't think so.
> > >
> > >
> > > Proton Soup
> >
> > lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
> >
> > -Larry
> >
> >
>
> That's originally attributed to Paul Newman - at Princeton there's an annual
> Newman's Day (last Sat. actually) where students try to drink 24 beers in 24
> hours.
> Newman's trying to put a halt to it.
>

He's also stating that he NEVER made the comment.

Art

Chupacabra
April 27th 04, 05:03 PM
On 27 Apr 2004 08:15:09 -0700, (ShaneOttawa)
wrote:

>Proton Soup <> wrote in message news:
>> >>Beer!
>> >
>> >Before, during or after the workout?
>>
>> Yes!
>>
>> 24 hours in a day.
>>
>> 24 beers in a case.
>>
>> Coincidence?
>>
>> I don't think so.
>>
>>
>> Proton Soup
>
>And of course, drinking lots of beer leads to other food decisions,
>such as "let's have some deep fried cheese wrapped in bacon".

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Chupacabra
April 27th 04, 05:03 PM
On 27 Apr 2004 08:15:09 -0700, (ShaneOttawa)
wrote:

>Proton Soup <> wrote in message news:
>> >>Beer!
>> >
>> >Before, during or after the workout?
>>
>> Yes!
>>
>> 24 hours in a day.
>>
>> 24 beers in a case.
>>
>> Coincidence?
>>
>> I don't think so.
>>
>>
>> Proton Soup
>
>And of course, drinking lots of beer leads to other food decisions,
>such as "let's have some deep fried cheese wrapped in bacon".

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Chupacabra
April 27th 04, 05:03 PM
On 27 Apr 2004 08:15:09 -0700, (ShaneOttawa)
wrote:

>Proton Soup <> wrote in message news:
>> >>Beer!
>> >
>> >Before, during or after the workout?
>>
>> Yes!
>>
>> 24 hours in a day.
>>
>> 24 beers in a case.
>>
>> Coincidence?
>>
>> I don't think so.
>>
>>
>> Proton Soup
>
>And of course, drinking lots of beer leads to other food decisions,
>such as "let's have some deep fried cheese wrapped in bacon".

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 06:07 PM
"Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
om...
> "jmgood" > wrote in message
>...
> > I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
found
> > that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> > thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is
the
> > trick?
> >
> > My diet is based around:
> > 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > 15% Fats
> >
> > Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> > cycling twice a week.
>
> A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
> day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
> extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
>
> Stephen

Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in place
of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil too. Yum
yum.

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 06:07 PM
"Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
om...
> "jmgood" > wrote in message
>...
> > I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
found
> > that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> > thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is
the
> > trick?
> >
> > My diet is based around:
> > 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > 15% Fats
> >
> > Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> > cycling twice a week.
>
> A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
> day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
> extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
>
> Stephen

Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in place
of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil too. Yum
yum.

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 06:07 PM
"Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
om...
> "jmgood" > wrote in message
>...
> > I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
found
> > that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> > thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is
the
> > trick?
> >
> > My diet is based around:
> > 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > 15% Fats
> >
> > Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> > cycling twice a week.
>
> A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
> day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
> extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
>
> Stephen

Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in place
of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil too. Yum
yum.

DRS
April 27th 04, 06:12 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

> "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
> om...

[...]

>> A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
>> day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
>> extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
>
> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in
> place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil
> too. Yum yum.

Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?

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DRS
April 27th 04, 06:12 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

> "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
> om...

[...]

>> A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
>> day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
>> extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
>
> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in
> place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil
> too. Yum yum.

Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?

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DRS
April 27th 04, 06:12 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

> "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
> om...

[...]

>> A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
>> day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
>> extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
>
> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in
> place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil
> too. Yum yum.

Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?

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Jim Ranieri
April 27th 04, 06:41 PM
"Art S" > wrote in message news:rovjc.28038

> > > > 24 hours in a day.
> > > >
> > > > 24 beers in a case.
> > > >
> > > > Coincidence?
> > > >
> > > > I don't think so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Proton Soup
> > >
> > > lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
> > >
> > > -Larry
> > >
> > >
> >
> > That's originally attributed to Paul Newman - at Princeton there's an
annual
> > Newman's Day (last Sat. actually) where students try to drink 24 beers
in >> 24 hours.
> > Newman's trying to put a halt to it.
> >
>
> He's also stating that he NEVER made the comment.
>


He was probably too hammered to remember.

Jim Ranieri
April 27th 04, 06:41 PM
"Art S" > wrote in message news:rovjc.28038

> > > > 24 hours in a day.
> > > >
> > > > 24 beers in a case.
> > > >
> > > > Coincidence?
> > > >
> > > > I don't think so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Proton Soup
> > >
> > > lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
> > >
> > > -Larry
> > >
> > >
> >
> > That's originally attributed to Paul Newman - at Princeton there's an
annual
> > Newman's Day (last Sat. actually) where students try to drink 24 beers
in >> 24 hours.
> > Newman's trying to put a halt to it.
> >
>
> He's also stating that he NEVER made the comment.
>


He was probably too hammered to remember.

Jim Ranieri
April 27th 04, 06:41 PM
"Art S" > wrote in message news:rovjc.28038

> > > > 24 hours in a day.
> > > >
> > > > 24 beers in a case.
> > > >
> > > > Coincidence?
> > > >
> > > > I don't think so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Proton Soup
> > >
> > > lol...ok...I actually laughed out loud. I'm going to use that myself.
> > >
> > > -Larry
> > >
> > >
> >
> > That's originally attributed to Paul Newman - at Princeton there's an
annual
> > Newman's Day (last Sat. actually) where students try to drink 24 beers
in >> 24 hours.
> > Newman's trying to put a halt to it.
> >
>
> He's also stating that he NEVER made the comment.
>


He was probably too hammered to remember.

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 07:05 PM
Regarding vegetable oil:

Here's a Google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy

Also, check out this article at the Dep. of Health and Human Services:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy


Regarding olive oil:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=olive+oil+is+healthy


-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
> > "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
> > om...
>
> [...]
>
> >> A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
> >> day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
> >> extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
> >
> > Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in
> > place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil
> > too. Yum yum.
>
> Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
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>
>

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 07:05 PM
Regarding vegetable oil:

Here's a Google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy

Also, check out this article at the Dep. of Health and Human Services:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy


Regarding olive oil:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=olive+oil+is+healthy


-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
> > "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
> > om...
>
> [...]
>
> >> A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
> >> day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
> >> extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
> >
> > Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in
> > place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil
> > too. Yum yum.
>
> Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 07:05 PM
Regarding vegetable oil:

Here's a Google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy

Also, check out this article at the Dep. of Health and Human Services:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy


Regarding olive oil:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=olive+oil+is+healthy


-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
> > "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
> > om...
>
> [...]
>
> >> A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
> >> day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
> >> extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
> >
> > Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in
> > place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil
> > too. Yum yum.
>
> Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?
>
> --
>
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>
>

DRS
April 27th 04, 07:28 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

> "DRS" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>>

[...]

>>> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast
>>> in place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with
>>> olive oil too. Yum yum.
>>
>> Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?

> Regarding vegetable oil:
>
> Here's a Google:
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy

Obviously I'm not going to check out tens of thousands of links. The few I
looked at seemed a bit simplistic. When I think of "vegetable oil" I think
of vegetable oil blends rather than any particular kind of vegetable oil
(which may or may not be deficient in some manner).

> Also, check out this article at the Dep. of Health and Human Services:
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy

You might want to try that one again.

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DRS
April 27th 04, 07:28 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

> "DRS" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>>

[...]

>>> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast
>>> in place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with
>>> olive oil too. Yum yum.
>>
>> Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?

> Regarding vegetable oil:
>
> Here's a Google:
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy

Obviously I'm not going to check out tens of thousands of links. The few I
looked at seemed a bit simplistic. When I think of "vegetable oil" I think
of vegetable oil blends rather than any particular kind of vegetable oil
(which may or may not be deficient in some manner).

> Also, check out this article at the Dep. of Health and Human Services:
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy

You might want to try that one again.

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DRS
April 27th 04, 07:28 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

> "DRS" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>>

[...]

>>> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast
>>> in place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with
>>> olive oil too. Yum yum.
>>
>> Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?

> Regarding vegetable oil:
>
> Here's a Google:
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy

Obviously I'm not going to check out tens of thousands of links. The few I
looked at seemed a bit simplistic. When I think of "vegetable oil" I think
of vegetable oil blends rather than any particular kind of vegetable oil
(which may or may not be deficient in some manner).

> Also, check out this article at the Dep. of Health and Human Services:
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy

You might want to try that one again.

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Stephen Mulholland
April 27th 04, 07:47 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
...
> "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found
> > > that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so
I
> > > thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what
is
> the
> > > trick?
> > >
> > > My diet is based around:
> > > 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > > 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > > 15% Fats
> > >
> > > Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> > > cycling twice a week.
> >
> > A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
> > day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
> > extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in
place
> of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil too. Yum
> yum.

Run that by me again, Larry.

For a start, the first two items I looked at directly contradict each other
wrt canola oil.

"Fine are: virgin olive, canola, lin/flax & unhydrogenated soy --only if you
can't find canola".

and

"
Before you read the following article, here is a summary of a few facts
regarding Canola Oil:
a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.
a.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape seed registered
and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others)
a.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has never been
meant for human consumption.
a.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic and
poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly.
a.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal: 6/7/95)
a.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won't eat it.
a.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision,
disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia,
constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low birth
weights in infants and irritability.
a.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years
before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper
metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a Trans
Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer. These Trans
Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils. "

I didn't look any further. And I DID say healthy oil.

Stephen

>
>

Stephen Mulholland
April 27th 04, 07:47 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
...
> "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found
> > > that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so
I
> > > thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what
is
> the
> > > trick?
> > >
> > > My diet is based around:
> > > 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > > 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > > 15% Fats
> > >
> > > Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> > > cycling twice a week.
> >
> > A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
> > day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
> > extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in
place
> of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil too. Yum
> yum.

Run that by me again, Larry.

For a start, the first two items I looked at directly contradict each other
wrt canola oil.

"Fine are: virgin olive, canola, lin/flax & unhydrogenated soy --only if you
can't find canola".

and

"
Before you read the following article, here is a summary of a few facts
regarding Canola Oil:
a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.
a.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape seed registered
and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others)
a.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has never been
meant for human consumption.
a.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic and
poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly.
a.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal: 6/7/95)
a.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won't eat it.
a.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision,
disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia,
constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low birth
weights in infants and irritability.
a.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years
before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper
metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a Trans
Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer. These Trans
Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils. "

I didn't look any further. And I DID say healthy oil.

Stephen

>
>

Stephen Mulholland
April 27th 04, 07:47 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
...
> "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> found
> > > that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so
I
> > > thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what
is
> the
> > > trick?
> > >
> > > My diet is based around:
> > > 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > > 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > > 15% Fats
> > >
> > > Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> > > cycling twice a week.
> >
> > A large spoonful of healthy oil has about 125 calories. 4 of those a
> > day, either thrown over your food, or into a shake, will give you an
> > extra 500 calories a day. And you won't even notice it going in.
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast in
place
> of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with olive oil too. Yum
> yum.

Run that by me again, Larry.

For a start, the first two items I looked at directly contradict each other
wrt canola oil.

"Fine are: virgin olive, canola, lin/flax & unhydrogenated soy --only if you
can't find canola".

and

"
Before you read the following article, here is a summary of a few facts
regarding Canola Oil:
a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.
a.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape seed registered
and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others)
a.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has never been
meant for human consumption.
a.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic and
poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly.
a.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal: 6/7/95)
a.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won't eat it.
a.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision,
disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia,
constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low birth
weights in infants and irritability.
a.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years
before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper
metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a Trans
Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer. These Trans
Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils. "

I didn't look any further. And I DID say healthy oil.

Stephen

>
>

John HUDSON
April 27th 04, 07:48 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:28:48 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

>> "DRS" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>>>
>
>[...]
>
>>>> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast
>>>> in place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with
>>>> olive oil too. Yum yum.
>>>
>>> Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?
>
>> Regarding vegetable oil:
>>
>> Here's a Google:
>>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy
>
>Obviously I'm not going to check out tens of thousands of links. The few I
>looked at seemed a bit simplistic. When I think of "vegetable oil" I think
>of vegetable oil blends rather than any particular kind of vegetable oil
>(which may or may not be deficient in some manner).
>
>> Also, check out this article at the Dep. of Health and Human Services:
>>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy
>
>You might want to try that one again.

>A: Top-posters.
>Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

But I note with interest Dave, that you have been so much more subdued
and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!

I shall have to be careful it's not catching! ;o)

John HUDSON
April 27th 04, 07:48 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:28:48 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

>> "DRS" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>>>
>
>[...]
>
>>>> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast
>>>> in place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with
>>>> olive oil too. Yum yum.
>>>
>>> Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?
>
>> Regarding vegetable oil:
>>
>> Here's a Google:
>>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy
>
>Obviously I'm not going to check out tens of thousands of links. The few I
>looked at seemed a bit simplistic. When I think of "vegetable oil" I think
>of vegetable oil blends rather than any particular kind of vegetable oil
>(which may or may not be deficient in some manner).
>
>> Also, check out this article at the Dep. of Health and Human Services:
>>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy
>
>You might want to try that one again.

>A: Top-posters.
>Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

But I note with interest Dave, that you have been so much more subdued
and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!

I shall have to be careful it's not catching! ;o)

John HUDSON
April 27th 04, 07:48 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:28:48 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

>> "DRS" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>>>
>
>[...]
>
>>>> Olive oil = healthy oil. NOT vegetable oil. I eat in on my toast
>>>> in place of butter. I fry my eggs in a cast iron skillet with
>>>> olive oil too. Yum yum.
>>>
>>> Why is vegetable oil unhealthy?
>
>> Regarding vegetable oil:
>>
>> Here's a Google:
>>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy
>
>Obviously I'm not going to check out tens of thousands of links. The few I
>looked at seemed a bit simplistic. When I think of "vegetable oil" I think
>of vegetable oil blends rather than any particular kind of vegetable oil
>(which may or may not be deficient in some manner).
>
>> Also, check out this article at the Dep. of Health and Human Services:
>>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=vegetable+oil+not+healthy
>
>You might want to try that one again.

>A: Top-posters.
>Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

But I note with interest Dave, that you have been so much more subdued
and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!

I shall have to be careful it's not catching! ;o)

DRS
April 27th 04, 07:50 PM
"John HUDSON" > wrote in message


[...]

> But I note with interest DRS, that you have been so much more subdued
> and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!

**** off.

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April 27th 04, 07:50 PM
"John HUDSON" > wrote in message


[...]

> But I note with interest DRS, that you have been so much more subdued
> and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!

**** off.

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April 27th 04, 07:50 PM
"John HUDSON" > wrote in message


[...]

> But I note with interest DRS, that you have been so much more subdued
> and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!

**** off.

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John HUDSON
April 27th 04, 07:59 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:50:03 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>
>[...]
>
>> But I note with interest DRS, that you have been so much more subdued
>> and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!

I also note with interest that you have taken to distorting posts,
which you were apoplectic about when "The Prof" did it to you. For the
record my paragraph read:

"But I note with interest *Dave*, that you have been so much more
subdued and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!"

[my added asterisks]

>
>**** off.

Ah! That's more like the Dave we all know and love so well; welcome
back!! ;o))

Oh, and by the way - **** you too!!

John HUDSON
April 27th 04, 07:59 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:50:03 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>
>[...]
>
>> But I note with interest DRS, that you have been so much more subdued
>> and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!

I also note with interest that you have taken to distorting posts,
which you were apoplectic about when "The Prof" did it to you. For the
record my paragraph read:

"But I note with interest *Dave*, that you have been so much more
subdued and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!"

[my added asterisks]

>
>**** off.

Ah! That's more like the Dave we all know and love so well; welcome
back!! ;o))

Oh, and by the way - **** you too!!

John HUDSON
April 27th 04, 07:59 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:50:03 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>
>[...]
>
>> But I note with interest DRS, that you have been so much more subdued
>> and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!

I also note with interest that you have taken to distorting posts,
which you were apoplectic about when "The Prof" did it to you. For the
record my paragraph read:

"But I note with interest *Dave*, that you have been so much more
subdued and tolerant recently, which makes you a great deal more fun!"

[my added asterisks]

>
>**** off.

Ah! That's more like the Dave we all know and love so well; welcome
back!! ;o))

Oh, and by the way - **** you too!!

DRS
April 27th 04, 08:01 PM
"John HUDSON" > wrote in message


You really are a ****.

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DRS
April 27th 04, 08:01 PM
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You really are a ****.

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DRS
April 27th 04, 08:01 PM
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You really are a ****.

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April 27th 04, 08:05 PM
"Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message


[...]

> "
> Before you read the following article, here is a summary of a few
> facts regarding Canola Oil:
> a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.
> a.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape seed
> registered and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others)
> a.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has
> never been meant for human consumption.
> a.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic
> and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly.
> a.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal:
> 6/7/95) a.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won't
> eat it.
> a.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision,
> disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia,
> constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low
> birth weights in infants and irritability.
> a.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years
> before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper
> metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a
> Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer.
> These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially
> hydrogenated oils. "
>
> I didn't look any further. And I DID say healthy oil.

You should have. It's a bunch of hysterical, pseudo-scientific bull****.

"What we have here is a bit of truth about a product's family history worked
into a hysterical screed against the product itself. There is no earthly
reason to give any credence to this rumor Canola oil is not the horrifying
product this widely-disseminated e-mail makes it out to be, nor has the FDA
turned loose on the American public a health scourge worthy of being named
one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

An appreciation of what this scare is based upon begins with a better
understanding of what canola oil and how it came into being.

The rape plant (Brassica napus) is a member of the mustard family, as
claimed in the e-mail. However, before associations between rape and mustard
gas set in too strongly, it should be noted turnip, cabbage, watercress,
horseradish, and radish are also members of this family of plants.

Rapeseed oil has been used for cooking for centuries in Europe, India,
China, and Japan. As modern science is finding out, its previous use wasn't
necessarily a guarantee of safety. Cooking at high temperatures with
unrefined rapeseed oil now appears to be related to an increased risk of
lung cancer because at high temperatures cooking oil gives off chemicals
capable of causing mutations in cells. Unrefined rapeseed oil is
particularly notable for this, but other oils also have this association.
Those intent upon doing large amounts of wok cooking with any sort of
cooking oil should therefore lower their frying temperature from the 240C
to 280C called for in Chinese cooking to 180C.
Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic acid, a
substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For this
reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States prior
to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans chose to use it
as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships during World War
II.)

In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced.
Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid
with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was
accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques
commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian
rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The
Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" (Canadian
oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative
associations with the word "rape." Canola was introduced to American
consumers in 1986. By 1990, erucic acid levels in canola oil ranged from
0.5% to 1.0%, in compliance with U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
standards.

This light, tasteless oil's popularity is due to the structure of its fats.
It is lower in saturated fat (about 6%) than any other oil. Compare this to
the high saturated fat content of peanut oil (about 18%) and palm oil (at an
incredibly high 79%). It also contains more cholesterol-balancing
monounsaturated fat than any oil except olive oil and has the distinction of
containing Omega-3 fatty acids, a polyunsaturated fat reputed to not only
lower both cholesterol and triglycerides, but also to contribute to brain
growth and development.

In other words, it's a healthy oil. One shouldn't feel afraid to use it
because of some Internet scare loosely based on half-truths and outright
lies."

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/canola.htm

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DRS
April 27th 04, 08:05 PM
"Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message


[...]

> "
> Before you read the following article, here is a summary of a few
> facts regarding Canola Oil:
> a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.
> a.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape seed
> registered and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others)
> a.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has
> never been meant for human consumption.
> a.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic
> and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly.
> a.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal:
> 6/7/95) a.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won't
> eat it.
> a.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision,
> disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia,
> constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low
> birth weights in infants and irritability.
> a.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years
> before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper
> metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a
> Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer.
> These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially
> hydrogenated oils. "
>
> I didn't look any further. And I DID say healthy oil.

You should have. It's a bunch of hysterical, pseudo-scientific bull****.

"What we have here is a bit of truth about a product's family history worked
into a hysterical screed against the product itself. There is no earthly
reason to give any credence to this rumor Canola oil is not the horrifying
product this widely-disseminated e-mail makes it out to be, nor has the FDA
turned loose on the American public a health scourge worthy of being named
one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

An appreciation of what this scare is based upon begins with a better
understanding of what canola oil and how it came into being.

The rape plant (Brassica napus) is a member of the mustard family, as
claimed in the e-mail. However, before associations between rape and mustard
gas set in too strongly, it should be noted turnip, cabbage, watercress,
horseradish, and radish are also members of this family of plants.

Rapeseed oil has been used for cooking for centuries in Europe, India,
China, and Japan. As modern science is finding out, its previous use wasn't
necessarily a guarantee of safety. Cooking at high temperatures with
unrefined rapeseed oil now appears to be related to an increased risk of
lung cancer because at high temperatures cooking oil gives off chemicals
capable of causing mutations in cells. Unrefined rapeseed oil is
particularly notable for this, but other oils also have this association.
Those intent upon doing large amounts of wok cooking with any sort of
cooking oil should therefore lower their frying temperature from the 240C
to 280C called for in Chinese cooking to 180C.
Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic acid, a
substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For this
reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States prior
to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans chose to use it
as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships during World War
II.)

In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced.
Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid
with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was
accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques
commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian
rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The
Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" (Canadian
oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative
associations with the word "rape." Canola was introduced to American
consumers in 1986. By 1990, erucic acid levels in canola oil ranged from
0.5% to 1.0%, in compliance with U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
standards.

This light, tasteless oil's popularity is due to the structure of its fats.
It is lower in saturated fat (about 6%) than any other oil. Compare this to
the high saturated fat content of peanut oil (about 18%) and palm oil (at an
incredibly high 79%). It also contains more cholesterol-balancing
monounsaturated fat than any oil except olive oil and has the distinction of
containing Omega-3 fatty acids, a polyunsaturated fat reputed to not only
lower both cholesterol and triglycerides, but also to contribute to brain
growth and development.

In other words, it's a healthy oil. One shouldn't feel afraid to use it
because of some Internet scare loosely based on half-truths and outright
lies."

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/canola.htm

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DRS
April 27th 04, 08:05 PM
"Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message


[...]

> "
> Before you read the following article, here is a summary of a few
> facts regarding Canola Oil:
> a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.
> a.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape seed
> registered and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others)
> a.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has
> never been meant for human consumption.
> a.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic
> and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly.
> a.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal:
> 6/7/95) a.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won't
> eat it.
> a.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision,
> disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia,
> constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low
> birth weights in infants and irritability.
> a.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years
> before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper
> metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a
> Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer.
> These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially
> hydrogenated oils. "
>
> I didn't look any further. And I DID say healthy oil.

You should have. It's a bunch of hysterical, pseudo-scientific bull****.

"What we have here is a bit of truth about a product's family history worked
into a hysterical screed against the product itself. There is no earthly
reason to give any credence to this rumor Canola oil is not the horrifying
product this widely-disseminated e-mail makes it out to be, nor has the FDA
turned loose on the American public a health scourge worthy of being named
one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

An appreciation of what this scare is based upon begins with a better
understanding of what canola oil and how it came into being.

The rape plant (Brassica napus) is a member of the mustard family, as
claimed in the e-mail. However, before associations between rape and mustard
gas set in too strongly, it should be noted turnip, cabbage, watercress,
horseradish, and radish are also members of this family of plants.

Rapeseed oil has been used for cooking for centuries in Europe, India,
China, and Japan. As modern science is finding out, its previous use wasn't
necessarily a guarantee of safety. Cooking at high temperatures with
unrefined rapeseed oil now appears to be related to an increased risk of
lung cancer because at high temperatures cooking oil gives off chemicals
capable of causing mutations in cells. Unrefined rapeseed oil is
particularly notable for this, but other oils also have this association.
Those intent upon doing large amounts of wok cooking with any sort of
cooking oil should therefore lower their frying temperature from the 240C
to 280C called for in Chinese cooking to 180C.
Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic acid, a
substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For this
reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States prior
to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans chose to use it
as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships during World War
II.)

In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced.
Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid
with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was
accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques
commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian
rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The
Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" (Canadian
oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative
associations with the word "rape." Canola was introduced to American
consumers in 1986. By 1990, erucic acid levels in canola oil ranged from
0.5% to 1.0%, in compliance with U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
standards.

This light, tasteless oil's popularity is due to the structure of its fats.
It is lower in saturated fat (about 6%) than any other oil. Compare this to
the high saturated fat content of peanut oil (about 18%) and palm oil (at an
incredibly high 79%). It also contains more cholesterol-balancing
monounsaturated fat than any oil except olive oil and has the distinction of
containing Omega-3 fatty acids, a polyunsaturated fat reputed to not only
lower both cholesterol and triglycerides, but also to contribute to brain
growth and development.

In other words, it's a healthy oil. One shouldn't feel afraid to use it
because of some Internet scare loosely based on half-truths and outright
lies."

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/canola.htm

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Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 08:45 PM
I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do some more
reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've read in the past,
which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil as *not* as healthy as
olive oil.

OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in a
negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use. But
most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong on this, I
appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.

-Larry

"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]
>
> > "
> > Before you read the following article, here is a summary of a few
> > facts regarding Canola Oil:
> > a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.
> > a.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape seed
> > registered and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others)
> > a.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has
> > never been meant for human consumption.
> > a.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic
> > and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly.
> > a.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal:
> > 6/7/95) a.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won't
> > eat it.
> > a.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision,
> > disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia,
> > constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low
> > birth weights in infants and irritability.
> > a.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years
> > before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper
> > metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a
> > Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer.
> > These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially
> > hydrogenated oils. "
> >
> > I didn't look any further. And I DID say healthy oil.
>
> You should have. It's a bunch of hysterical, pseudo-scientific bull****.
>
> "What we have here is a bit of truth about a product's family history
worked
> into a hysterical screed against the product itself. There is no earthly
> reason to give any credence to this rumor - Canola oil is not the
horrifying
> product this widely-disseminated e-mail makes it out to be, nor has the
FDA
> turned loose on the American public a health scourge worthy of being named
> one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
>
> An appreciation of what this scare is based upon begins with a better
> understanding of what canola oil and how it came into being.
>
> The rape plant (Brassica napus) is a member of the mustard family, as
> claimed in the e-mail. However, before associations between rape and
mustard
> gas set in too strongly, it should be noted turnip, cabbage, watercress,
> horseradish, and radish are also members of this family of plants.
>
> Rapeseed oil has been used for cooking for centuries in Europe, India,
> China, and Japan. As modern science is finding out, its previous use
wasn't
> necessarily a guarantee of safety. Cooking at high temperatures with
> unrefined rapeseed oil now appears to be related to an increased risk of
> lung cancer because at high temperatures cooking oil gives off chemicals
> capable of causing mutations in cells. Unrefined rapeseed oil is
> particularly notable for this, but other oils also have this association.
> Those intent upon doing large amounts of wok cooking with any sort of
> cooking oil should therefore lower their frying temperature from the 240C
> to 280C called for in Chinese cooking to 180C.
> Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic acid,
a
> substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For this
> reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States
prior
> to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans chose to use
it
> as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships during World
War
> II.)
>
> In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced.
> Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid
> with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was
> accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques
> commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian
> rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The
> Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" (Canadian
> oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative
> associations with the word "rape." Canola was introduced to American
> consumers in 1986. By 1990, erucic acid levels in canola oil ranged from
> 0.5% to 1.0%, in compliance with U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
> standards.
>
> This light, tasteless oil's popularity is due to the structure of its
fats.
> It is lower in saturated fat (about 6%) than any other oil. Compare this
to
> the high saturated fat content of peanut oil (about 18%) and palm oil (at
an
> incredibly high 79%). It also contains more cholesterol-balancing
> monounsaturated fat than any oil except olive oil and has the distinction
of
> containing Omega-3 fatty acids, a polyunsaturated fat reputed to not only
> lower both cholesterol and triglycerides, but also to contribute to brain
> growth and development.
>
> In other words, it's a healthy oil. One shouldn't feel afraid to use it
> because of some Internet scare loosely based on half-truths and outright
> lies."
>
> http://www.snopes.com/toxins/canola.htm
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 08:45 PM
I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do some more
reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've read in the past,
which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil as *not* as healthy as
olive oil.

OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in a
negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use. But
most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong on this, I
appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.

-Larry

"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]
>
> > "
> > Before you read the following article, here is a summary of a few
> > facts regarding Canola Oil:
> > a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.
> > a.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape seed
> > registered and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others)
> > a.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has
> > never been meant for human consumption.
> > a.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic
> > and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly.
> > a.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal:
> > 6/7/95) a.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won't
> > eat it.
> > a.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision,
> > disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia,
> > constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low
> > birth weights in infants and irritability.
> > a.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years
> > before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper
> > metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a
> > Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer.
> > These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially
> > hydrogenated oils. "
> >
> > I didn't look any further. And I DID say healthy oil.
>
> You should have. It's a bunch of hysterical, pseudo-scientific bull****.
>
> "What we have here is a bit of truth about a product's family history
worked
> into a hysterical screed against the product itself. There is no earthly
> reason to give any credence to this rumor - Canola oil is not the
horrifying
> product this widely-disseminated e-mail makes it out to be, nor has the
FDA
> turned loose on the American public a health scourge worthy of being named
> one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
>
> An appreciation of what this scare is based upon begins with a better
> understanding of what canola oil and how it came into being.
>
> The rape plant (Brassica napus) is a member of the mustard family, as
> claimed in the e-mail. However, before associations between rape and
mustard
> gas set in too strongly, it should be noted turnip, cabbage, watercress,
> horseradish, and radish are also members of this family of plants.
>
> Rapeseed oil has been used for cooking for centuries in Europe, India,
> China, and Japan. As modern science is finding out, its previous use
wasn't
> necessarily a guarantee of safety. Cooking at high temperatures with
> unrefined rapeseed oil now appears to be related to an increased risk of
> lung cancer because at high temperatures cooking oil gives off chemicals
> capable of causing mutations in cells. Unrefined rapeseed oil is
> particularly notable for this, but other oils also have this association.
> Those intent upon doing large amounts of wok cooking with any sort of
> cooking oil should therefore lower their frying temperature from the 240C
> to 280C called for in Chinese cooking to 180C.
> Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic acid,
a
> substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For this
> reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States
prior
> to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans chose to use
it
> as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships during World
War
> II.)
>
> In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced.
> Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid
> with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was
> accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques
> commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian
> rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The
> Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" (Canadian
> oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative
> associations with the word "rape." Canola was introduced to American
> consumers in 1986. By 1990, erucic acid levels in canola oil ranged from
> 0.5% to 1.0%, in compliance with U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
> standards.
>
> This light, tasteless oil's popularity is due to the structure of its
fats.
> It is lower in saturated fat (about 6%) than any other oil. Compare this
to
> the high saturated fat content of peanut oil (about 18%) and palm oil (at
an
> incredibly high 79%). It also contains more cholesterol-balancing
> monounsaturated fat than any oil except olive oil and has the distinction
of
> containing Omega-3 fatty acids, a polyunsaturated fat reputed to not only
> lower both cholesterol and triglycerides, but also to contribute to brain
> growth and development.
>
> In other words, it's a healthy oil. One shouldn't feel afraid to use it
> because of some Internet scare loosely based on half-truths and outright
> lies."
>
> http://www.snopes.com/toxins/canola.htm
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Larry Hodges
April 27th 04, 08:45 PM
I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do some more
reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've read in the past,
which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil as *not* as healthy as
olive oil.

OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in a
negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use. But
most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong on this, I
appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.

-Larry

"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Stephen Mulholland" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]
>
> > "
> > Before you read the following article, here is a summary of a few
> > facts regarding Canola Oil:
> > a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.
> > a.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape seed
> > registered and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others)
> > a.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has
> > never been meant for human consumption.
> > a.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic
> > and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly.
> > a.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal:
> > 6/7/95) a.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won't
> > eat it.
> > a.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision,
> > disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia,
> > constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low
> > birth weights in infants and irritability.
> > a.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years
> > before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper
> > metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a
> > Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer.
> > These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially
> > hydrogenated oils. "
> >
> > I didn't look any further. And I DID say healthy oil.
>
> You should have. It's a bunch of hysterical, pseudo-scientific bull****.
>
> "What we have here is a bit of truth about a product's family history
worked
> into a hysterical screed against the product itself. There is no earthly
> reason to give any credence to this rumor - Canola oil is not the
horrifying
> product this widely-disseminated e-mail makes it out to be, nor has the
FDA
> turned loose on the American public a health scourge worthy of being named
> one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
>
> An appreciation of what this scare is based upon begins with a better
> understanding of what canola oil and how it came into being.
>
> The rape plant (Brassica napus) is a member of the mustard family, as
> claimed in the e-mail. However, before associations between rape and
mustard
> gas set in too strongly, it should be noted turnip, cabbage, watercress,
> horseradish, and radish are also members of this family of plants.
>
> Rapeseed oil has been used for cooking for centuries in Europe, India,
> China, and Japan. As modern science is finding out, its previous use
wasn't
> necessarily a guarantee of safety. Cooking at high temperatures with
> unrefined rapeseed oil now appears to be related to an increased risk of
> lung cancer because at high temperatures cooking oil gives off chemicals
> capable of causing mutations in cells. Unrefined rapeseed oil is
> particularly notable for this, but other oils also have this association.
> Those intent upon doing large amounts of wok cooking with any sort of
> cooking oil should therefore lower their frying temperature from the 240C
> to 280C called for in Chinese cooking to 180C.
> Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic acid,
a
> substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For this
> reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States
prior
> to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans chose to use
it
> as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships during World
War
> II.)
>
> In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced.
> Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid
> with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was
> accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques
> commonly referred to as "genetic engineering.") By 1978, all Canadian
> rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The
> Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product "canola oil" (Canadian
> oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative
> associations with the word "rape." Canola was introduced to American
> consumers in 1986. By 1990, erucic acid levels in canola oil ranged from
> 0.5% to 1.0%, in compliance with U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
> standards.
>
> This light, tasteless oil's popularity is due to the structure of its
fats.
> It is lower in saturated fat (about 6%) than any other oil. Compare this
to
> the high saturated fat content of peanut oil (about 18%) and palm oil (at
an
> incredibly high 79%). It also contains more cholesterol-balancing
> monounsaturated fat than any oil except olive oil and has the distinction
of
> containing Omega-3 fatty acids, a polyunsaturated fat reputed to not only
> lower both cholesterol and triglycerides, but also to contribute to brain
> growth and development.
>
> In other words, it's a healthy oil. One shouldn't feel afraid to use it
> because of some Internet scare loosely based on half-truths and outright
> lies."
>
> http://www.snopes.com/toxins/canola.htm
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

John HUDSON
April 27th 04, 09:09 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>
>You really are a ****.

Why's that Dave, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?

You conceal it so much better when you are trying to be nice, dear
er... boy?

John HUDSON
April 27th 04, 09:09 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>
>You really are a ****.

Why's that Dave, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?

You conceal it so much better when you are trying to be nice, dear
er... boy?

John HUDSON
April 27th 04, 09:09 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>
>You really are a ****.

Why's that Dave, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?

You conceal it so much better when you are trying to be nice, dear
er... boy?

bleh
April 27th 04, 11:30 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

As was recommended by others, find foods that are high in calories but
not very filling. Someone mentioned healthy oils...this is great
advice. I'm looking at a bottle of olive oil and it has 120 calories
in one damn table spoon. Olive oil is a super anti-oxidant food.
Consume this stuff like there is no tomorrow. I also like raisins.
They make a great post-workout carb source because of their relatively
high glycemic index value. Another food I really like is yogurt. I've
found the cheap ass brand "Great Value" (Walmart Brand) yogurt to be
pretty high in calories compared to most of the other crap out there.
It tastes good and isn't very filling. You can also pick up some
calories from sugary fruit juices. Once again, this is great after a
workout. You should really try to get in around 5 to 6 meals a day to
keep your metabolism up. If you have trouble finding time to eat
because you are constantly on the go, consider making sandwiches. Four
pieces of wheat bread (to make two sandwhiches), four slices of
cheese, two servings of some type of deli meat, with mayo and olive
oil. Then pound a Sunny Delight or something. I'm positive that if you
make sure to get the highest calorie stuff to make up all of what I
have just listed, you could easily get in a 700 calorie meal. Throw
all that **** in a small ice chest with an ice pack and be on your
way.

bleh
April 27th 04, 11:30 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

As was recommended by others, find foods that are high in calories but
not very filling. Someone mentioned healthy oils...this is great
advice. I'm looking at a bottle of olive oil and it has 120 calories
in one damn table spoon. Olive oil is a super anti-oxidant food.
Consume this stuff like there is no tomorrow. I also like raisins.
They make a great post-workout carb source because of their relatively
high glycemic index value. Another food I really like is yogurt. I've
found the cheap ass brand "Great Value" (Walmart Brand) yogurt to be
pretty high in calories compared to most of the other crap out there.
It tastes good and isn't very filling. You can also pick up some
calories from sugary fruit juices. Once again, this is great after a
workout. You should really try to get in around 5 to 6 meals a day to
keep your metabolism up. If you have trouble finding time to eat
because you are constantly on the go, consider making sandwiches. Four
pieces of wheat bread (to make two sandwhiches), four slices of
cheese, two servings of some type of deli meat, with mayo and olive
oil. Then pound a Sunny Delight or something. I'm positive that if you
make sure to get the highest calorie stuff to make up all of what I
have just listed, you could easily get in a 700 calorie meal. Throw
all that **** in a small ice chest with an ice pack and be on your
way.

bleh
April 27th 04, 11:30 PM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.

As was recommended by others, find foods that are high in calories but
not very filling. Someone mentioned healthy oils...this is great
advice. I'm looking at a bottle of olive oil and it has 120 calories
in one damn table spoon. Olive oil is a super anti-oxidant food.
Consume this stuff like there is no tomorrow. I also like raisins.
They make a great post-workout carb source because of their relatively
high glycemic index value. Another food I really like is yogurt. I've
found the cheap ass brand "Great Value" (Walmart Brand) yogurt to be
pretty high in calories compared to most of the other crap out there.
It tastes good and isn't very filling. You can also pick up some
calories from sugary fruit juices. Once again, this is great after a
workout. You should really try to get in around 5 to 6 meals a day to
keep your metabolism up. If you have trouble finding time to eat
because you are constantly on the go, consider making sandwiches. Four
pieces of wheat bread (to make two sandwhiches), four slices of
cheese, two servings of some type of deli meat, with mayo and olive
oil. Then pound a Sunny Delight or something. I'm positive that if you
make sure to get the highest calorie stuff to make up all of what I
have just listed, you could easily get in a 700 calorie meal. Throw
all that **** in a small ice chest with an ice pack and be on your
way.

internet bench press
April 28th 04, 02:18 AM
"Kromagnon" > wrote in message >...
> jmgood wrote:
> > I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> > found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> > constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> > very full. so what is the trick?
>
> I would cut the /day addition down to 150 kcal/day. 500 kcal/day would add 1
> lb a week; not likely that would be muscle. :)
>
> A 150 kcal/day increase would add 15 lbs. in a year; much more realistic
> than 51 lbs/year at 500 kcal/day.



BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Jake

internet bench press
April 28th 04, 02:18 AM
"Kromagnon" > wrote in message >...
> jmgood wrote:
> > I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> > found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> > constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> > very full. so what is the trick?
>
> I would cut the /day addition down to 150 kcal/day. 500 kcal/day would add 1
> lb a week; not likely that would be muscle. :)
>
> A 150 kcal/day increase would add 15 lbs. in a year; much more realistic
> than 51 lbs/year at 500 kcal/day.



BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Jake

internet bench press
April 28th 04, 02:18 AM
"Kromagnon" > wrote in message >...
> jmgood wrote:
> > I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I
> > found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> > constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> > very full. so what is the trick?
>
> I would cut the /day addition down to 150 kcal/day. 500 kcal/day would add 1
> lb a week; not likely that would be muscle. :)
>
> A 150 kcal/day increase would add 15 lbs. in a year; much more realistic
> than 51 lbs/year at 500 kcal/day.



BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Jake

internet bench press
April 28th 04, 02:32 AM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.


Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.

First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
bulking.

For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
problem

Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
on the PB.

The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
barely ate anything.

Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
you up.

eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.

use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.

having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...

Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
filling.

Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
1 cup oatmeal
5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
1 tb cinnamon
2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
for the splenda)
1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
this myself.

put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
it's my favorite part of bulking.

HTH

Jake

internet bench press
April 28th 04, 02:32 AM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.


Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.

First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
bulking.

For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
problem

Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
on the PB.

The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
barely ate anything.

Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
you up.

eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.

use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.

having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...

Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
filling.

Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
1 cup oatmeal
5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
1 tb cinnamon
2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
for the splenda)
1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
this myself.

put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
it's my favorite part of bulking.

HTH

Jake

internet bench press
April 28th 04, 02:32 AM
"jmgood" > wrote in message >...
> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
> that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
> thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
> trick?
>
> My diet is based around:
> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> 15% Fats
>
> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> cycling twice a week.


Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.

First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
bulking.

For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
problem

Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
on the PB.

The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
barely ate anything.

Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
you up.

eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.

use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.

having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...

Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
filling.

Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
1 cup oatmeal
5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
1 tb cinnamon
2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
for the splenda)
1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
this myself.

put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
it's my favorite part of bulking.

HTH

Jake

2Fast4U
April 28th 04, 08:56 AM
internet bench press wrote:
> "jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
>> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
>> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
>> very full. so what is the trick?
>>
>> My diet is based around:
>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>> 15% Fats
>>
>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>> cycling twice a week.
>
>
> Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
>
<garbage snipped>

This is got to be the stupidest response to a question I have ever read.
Gosh, I think when Jake boy grows up he's going to be fat.

You ignorant fool.


24

>
> HTH
>
> Jake

2Fast4U
April 28th 04, 08:56 AM
internet bench press wrote:
> "jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
>> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
>> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
>> very full. so what is the trick?
>>
>> My diet is based around:
>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>> 15% Fats
>>
>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>> cycling twice a week.
>
>
> Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
>
<garbage snipped>

This is got to be the stupidest response to a question I have ever read.
Gosh, I think when Jake boy grows up he's going to be fat.

You ignorant fool.


24

>
> HTH
>
> Jake

2Fast4U
April 28th 04, 08:56 AM
internet bench press wrote:
> "jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
>> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
>> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
>> very full. so what is the trick?
>>
>> My diet is based around:
>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>> 15% Fats
>>
>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>> cycling twice a week.
>
>
> Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
>
<garbage snipped>

This is got to be the stupidest response to a question I have ever read.
Gosh, I think when Jake boy grows up he's going to be fat.

You ignorant fool.


24

>
> HTH
>
> Jake

Razor
April 28th 04, 11:58 AM
internet bench press wrote:
> "jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
>> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
>> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
>> very full. so what is the trick?
>>
>> My diet is based around:
>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>> 15% Fats
>>
>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>> cycling twice a week.
>
>
> Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
>
> First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> bulking.
>
> For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> problem
>
> Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> on the PB.
>
> The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> barely ate anything.
>
> Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> you up.
>
> eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
>
> use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
>
> having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
>
> Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> filling.
>
> Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> 1 cup oatmeal
> 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> 1 tb cinnamon
> 2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> for the splenda)
> 1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> this myself.
>
> put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> it's my favorite part of bulking.

"Tons of calories" ????

Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
would be best.


>
> HTH
>
> Jake

Razor
April 28th 04, 11:58 AM
internet bench press wrote:
> "jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
>> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
>> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
>> very full. so what is the trick?
>>
>> My diet is based around:
>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>> 15% Fats
>>
>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>> cycling twice a week.
>
>
> Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
>
> First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> bulking.
>
> For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> problem
>
> Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> on the PB.
>
> The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> barely ate anything.
>
> Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> you up.
>
> eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
>
> use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
>
> having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
>
> Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> filling.
>
> Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> 1 cup oatmeal
> 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> 1 tb cinnamon
> 2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> for the splenda)
> 1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> this myself.
>
> put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> it's my favorite part of bulking.

"Tons of calories" ????

Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
would be best.


>
> HTH
>
> Jake

Razor
April 28th 04, 11:58 AM
internet bench press wrote:
> "jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
>> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
>> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
>> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
>> very full. so what is the trick?
>>
>> My diet is based around:
>> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>> 15% Fats
>>
>> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>> cycling twice a week.
>
>
> Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
>
> First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> bulking.
>
> For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> problem
>
> Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> on the PB.
>
> The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> barely ate anything.
>
> Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> you up.
>
> eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
>
> use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
>
> having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
>
> Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> filling.
>
> Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> 1 cup oatmeal
> 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> 1 tb cinnamon
> 2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> for the splenda)
> 1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> this myself.
>
> put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> it's my favorite part of bulking.

"Tons of calories" ????

Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
would be best.


>
> HTH
>
> Jake

DRS
April 28th 04, 12:49 PM
"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
> > wrote:
>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>> You really are a ****.
>
> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?

Nope. You can't do the impossible. It's because you really are a ****.

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DRS
April 28th 04, 12:49 PM
"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
> > wrote:
>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>> You really are a ****.
>
> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?

Nope. You can't do the impossible. It's because you really are a ****.

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DRS
April 28th 04, 12:49 PM
"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
> > wrote:
>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>> You really are a ****.
>
> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?

Nope. You can't do the impossible. It's because you really are a ****.

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DRS
April 28th 04, 12:50 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

> I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do

Then how about you rethink your position on top-posting too.

> some more reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've
> read in the past, which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil
> as *not* as healthy as olive oil.
>
> OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in
> a negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use.
> But most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong
> on this, I appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.

Nobody is saying anything against olive oil.

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DRS
April 28th 04, 12:50 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

> I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do

Then how about you rethink your position on top-posting too.

> some more reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've
> read in the past, which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil
> as *not* as healthy as olive oil.
>
> OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in
> a negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use.
> But most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong
> on this, I appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.

Nobody is saying anything against olive oil.

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DRS
April 28th 04, 12:50 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

> I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do

Then how about you rethink your position on top-posting too.

> some more reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've
> read in the past, which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil
> as *not* as healthy as olive oil.
>
> OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in
> a negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use.
> But most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong
> on this, I appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.

Nobody is saying anything against olive oil.

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John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 02:34 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:49:45 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
>> > wrote:
>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> You really are a ****.
>>
>> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?
>
>Nope. You can't do the impossible.

That's not what a trawl through Usenet via Google would indicate!!

>It's because you really are a ****.

That's only because I know how to push your buttons Dave!!

You are quite correct though, as I am capable of being as big a "****"
as the next "****" if you give me good reason.

I keep telling you, back off and try being nice for a change!! ;o)

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 02:34 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:49:45 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
>> > wrote:
>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> You really are a ****.
>>
>> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?
>
>Nope. You can't do the impossible.

That's not what a trawl through Usenet via Google would indicate!!

>It's because you really are a ****.

That's only because I know how to push your buttons Dave!!

You are quite correct though, as I am capable of being as big a "****"
as the next "****" if you give me good reason.

I keep telling you, back off and try being nice for a change!! ;o)

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 02:34 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:49:45 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
>> > wrote:
>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> You really are a ****.
>>
>> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?
>
>Nope. You can't do the impossible.

That's not what a trawl through Usenet via Google would indicate!!

>It's because you really are a ****.

That's only because I know how to push your buttons Dave!!

You are quite correct though, as I am capable of being as big a "****"
as the next "****" if you give me good reason.

I keep telling you, back off and try being nice for a change!! ;o)

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 02:38 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:50:49 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

Here's a typical example of you, to put it in your own erudite
fashion, being a "****" just for the sake of it.

You must know by now that people "top post" on purpose just to give
you the ****s!!

>"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

>> I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do
>
>Then how about you rethink your position on top-posting too.

>
>> some more reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've
>> read in the past, which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil
>> as *not* as healthy as olive oil.
>>
>> OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in
>> a negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use.
>> But most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong
>> on this, I appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.
>
>Nobody is saying anything against olive oil.

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 02:38 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:50:49 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

Here's a typical example of you, to put it in your own erudite
fashion, being a "****" just for the sake of it.

You must know by now that people "top post" on purpose just to give
you the ****s!!

>"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

>> I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do
>
>Then how about you rethink your position on top-posting too.

>
>> some more reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've
>> read in the past, which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil
>> as *not* as healthy as olive oil.
>>
>> OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in
>> a negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use.
>> But most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong
>> on this, I appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.
>
>Nobody is saying anything against olive oil.

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 02:38 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:50:49 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

Here's a typical example of you, to put it in your own erudite
fashion, being a "****" just for the sake of it.

You must know by now that people "top post" on purpose just to give
you the ****s!!

>"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

>> I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do
>
>Then how about you rethink your position on top-posting too.

>
>> some more reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've
>> read in the past, which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil
>> as *not* as healthy as olive oil.
>>
>> OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in
>> a negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use.
>> But most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong
>> on this, I appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.
>
>Nobody is saying anything against olive oil.

DRS
April 28th 04, 03:18 PM
"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:49:45 +1000, "DRS"
> > wrote:
>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
>>> > wrote:
>>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You really are a ****.
>>>
>>> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?
>>
>> Nope. You can't do the impossible.
>
> That's not what a trawl through Usenet via Google would indicate!!

Now you're lying.

PLONK

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DRS
April 28th 04, 03:18 PM
"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:49:45 +1000, "DRS"
> > wrote:
>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
>>> > wrote:
>>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You really are a ****.
>>>
>>> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?
>>
>> Nope. You can't do the impossible.
>
> That's not what a trawl through Usenet via Google would indicate!!

Now you're lying.

PLONK

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DRS
April 28th 04, 03:18 PM
"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:49:45 +1000, "DRS"
> > wrote:
>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
>>> > wrote:
>>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You really are a ****.
>>>
>>> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?
>>
>> Nope. You can't do the impossible.
>
> That's not what a trawl through Usenet via Google would indicate!!

Now you're lying.

PLONK

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Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 03:43 PM
Dave,

I was cordial to you because this was an on topic issue. And I was serious
about re-thinking my position on vegetable oil. The point of your response
to mine was to take issue with my view on vegetable oil. I said I'd do some
more reading on it. And I appreciate the heads up when I state something
that isn't true. Unlike a fool, I am open to change because I understand I
don't know everything.

But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all bottom
posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I am respectful
in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring myself to bottom post
for you.

-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
> > I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do
>
> Then how about you rethink your position on top-posting too.
>
> > some more reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've
> > read in the past, which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil
> > as *not* as healthy as olive oil.
> >
> > OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in
> > a negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use.
> > But most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong
> > on this, I appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.
>
> Nobody is saying anything against olive oil.
>
> --
>
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>
>

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 03:43 PM
Dave,

I was cordial to you because this was an on topic issue. And I was serious
about re-thinking my position on vegetable oil. The point of your response
to mine was to take issue with my view on vegetable oil. I said I'd do some
more reading on it. And I appreciate the heads up when I state something
that isn't true. Unlike a fool, I am open to change because I understand I
don't know everything.

But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all bottom
posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I am respectful
in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring myself to bottom post
for you.

-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
> > I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do
>
> Then how about you rethink your position on top-posting too.
>
> > some more reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've
> > read in the past, which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil
> > as *not* as healthy as olive oil.
> >
> > OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in
> > a negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use.
> > But most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong
> > on this, I appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.
>
> Nobody is saying anything against olive oil.
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 03:43 PM
Dave,

I was cordial to you because this was an on topic issue. And I was serious
about re-thinking my position on vegetable oil. The point of your response
to mine was to take issue with my view on vegetable oil. I said I'd do some
more reading on it. And I appreciate the heads up when I state something
that isn't true. Unlike a fool, I am open to change because I understand I
don't know everything.

But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all bottom
posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I am respectful
in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring myself to bottom post
for you.

-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
> > I am more that willing to re-think my position on this. I will do
>
> Then how about you rethink your position on top-posting too.
>
> > some more reading on it. I based my statement on everything I've
> > read in the past, which as a general rule, discounted vegetable oil
> > as *not* as healthy as olive oil.
> >
> > OTOH, I have yet to read anything credible that presents olive oil in
> > a negative light and scores of stuff that says it's *the* oil to use.
> > But most you guys know more about this stuff than I do. If I'm wrong
> > on this, I appreciate the heads up and will reconsider my position.
>
> Nobody is saying anything against olive oil.
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 03:49 PM
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:18:37 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:49:45 +1000, "DRS"
>> > wrote:
>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You really are a ****.
>>>>
>>>> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?
>>>
>>> Nope. You can't do the impossible.
>>
>> That's not what a trawl through Usenet via Google would indicate!!
>
>Now you're lying.
>
>PLONK

Well that was inevitable, I'm surprised I lasted as long as I did! ;o)

You can run Tinkerbelle, you abrasive diminutive fairy, but you can't
hide - not at MFW!! ;o)

GFY!!

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 03:49 PM
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:18:37 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:49:45 +1000, "DRS"
>> > wrote:
>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You really are a ****.
>>>>
>>>> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?
>>>
>>> Nope. You can't do the impossible.
>>
>> That's not what a trawl through Usenet via Google would indicate!!
>
>Now you're lying.
>
>PLONK

Well that was inevitable, I'm surprised I lasted as long as I did! ;o)

You can run Tinkerbelle, you abrasive diminutive fairy, but you can't
hide - not at MFW!! ;o)

GFY!!

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 03:49 PM
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:18:37 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"John HUDSON" > wrote in message

>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:49:45 +1000, "DRS"
>> > wrote:
>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:01:34 +1000, "DRS"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> "John HUDSON" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You really are a ****.
>>>>
>>>> Why's that DRS, because I expose you for the fraud you really are?
>>>
>>> Nope. You can't do the impossible.
>>
>> That's not what a trawl through Usenet via Google would indicate!!
>
>Now you're lying.
>
>PLONK

Well that was inevitable, I'm surprised I lasted as long as I did! ;o)

You can run Tinkerbelle, you abrasive diminutive fairy, but you can't
hide - not at MFW!! ;o)

GFY!!

Jake
April 28th 04, 04:13 PM
"2Fast4U" > wrote in message >...
> internet bench press wrote:
> > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> > >...
> >> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> >> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> >> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> >> very full. so what is the trick?
> >>
> >> My diet is based around:
> >> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >> 15% Fats
> >>
> >> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >> cycling twice a week.
> >
> >
> > Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> >
> <garbage snipped>
>
> This is got to be the stupidest response to a question I have ever read.
> Gosh, I think when Jake boy grows up he's going to be fat.
>
> You ignorant fool.
>
>
> 24
>


Uh-huh. So...the OP is trying to eat more. I gave him suggestions as
to how to eat more. My response was stupid...why?

Ever gone on a bulking cycle, Mr. Razor? NO?! I'm shocked!

By the way, **** head, I'm currently eating 1500-2000 calories a day
for my CUTTING CYCLE. Can you say "CUTTING CYCLE"?

Wait so who's ignorant? What's this magic muscle building method that
somehow magically doesn't involve eating a lot of calories?

Jake

Jake
April 28th 04, 04:13 PM
"2Fast4U" > wrote in message >...
> internet bench press wrote:
> > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> > >...
> >> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> >> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> >> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> >> very full. so what is the trick?
> >>
> >> My diet is based around:
> >> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >> 15% Fats
> >>
> >> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >> cycling twice a week.
> >
> >
> > Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> >
> <garbage snipped>
>
> This is got to be the stupidest response to a question I have ever read.
> Gosh, I think when Jake boy grows up he's going to be fat.
>
> You ignorant fool.
>
>
> 24
>


Uh-huh. So...the OP is trying to eat more. I gave him suggestions as
to how to eat more. My response was stupid...why?

Ever gone on a bulking cycle, Mr. Razor? NO?! I'm shocked!

By the way, **** head, I'm currently eating 1500-2000 calories a day
for my CUTTING CYCLE. Can you say "CUTTING CYCLE"?

Wait so who's ignorant? What's this magic muscle building method that
somehow magically doesn't involve eating a lot of calories?

Jake

Jake
April 28th 04, 04:13 PM
"2Fast4U" > wrote in message >...
> internet bench press wrote:
> > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> > >...
> >> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> >> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> >> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> >> very full. so what is the trick?
> >>
> >> My diet is based around:
> >> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >> 15% Fats
> >>
> >> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >> cycling twice a week.
> >
> >
> > Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> >
> <garbage snipped>
>
> This is got to be the stupidest response to a question I have ever read.
> Gosh, I think when Jake boy grows up he's going to be fat.
>
> You ignorant fool.
>
>
> 24
>


Uh-huh. So...the OP is trying to eat more. I gave him suggestions as
to how to eat more. My response was stupid...why?

Ever gone on a bulking cycle, Mr. Razor? NO?! I'm shocked!

By the way, **** head, I'm currently eating 1500-2000 calories a day
for my CUTTING CYCLE. Can you say "CUTTING CYCLE"?

Wait so who's ignorant? What's this magic muscle building method that
somehow magically doesn't involve eating a lot of calories?

Jake

Jake
April 28th 04, 04:21 PM
"Razor" > wrote in message >...
> internet bench press wrote:
> > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> > >...
> >> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> >> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> >> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> >> very full. so what is the trick?
> >>
> >> My diet is based around:
> >> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >> 15% Fats
> >>
> >> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >> cycling twice a week.
> >
> >
> > Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> >
> > First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> > in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> > bulking.
> >
> > For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> > every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> > problem
> >
> > Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> > sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> > on the PB.
> >
> > The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> > barely ate anything.
> >
> > Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> > you up.
> >
> > eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> > try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> > you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
> >
> > use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> > taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
> >
> > having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> > bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> > from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> > dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
> >
> > Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> > half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> > day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> > carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> > filling.
> >
> > Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> > 1 cup oatmeal
> > 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> > 1 tb cinnamon
> > 2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> > vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> > for the splenda)
> > 1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> > for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> > this myself.
> >
> > put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> > it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> > it's my favorite part of bulking.
>
> "Tons of calories" ????
>
> Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
> Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
> would be best.
>


Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
if he's lifting well.

As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?

Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
guys eat so much?"

Or are you just a god damn troll?

Jake

Jake
April 28th 04, 04:21 PM
"Razor" > wrote in message >...
> internet bench press wrote:
> > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> > >...
> >> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> >> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> >> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> >> very full. so what is the trick?
> >>
> >> My diet is based around:
> >> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >> 15% Fats
> >>
> >> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >> cycling twice a week.
> >
> >
> > Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> >
> > First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> > in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> > bulking.
> >
> > For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> > every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> > problem
> >
> > Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> > sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> > on the PB.
> >
> > The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> > barely ate anything.
> >
> > Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> > you up.
> >
> > eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> > try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> > you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
> >
> > use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> > taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
> >
> > having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> > bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> > from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> > dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
> >
> > Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> > half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> > day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> > carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> > filling.
> >
> > Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> > 1 cup oatmeal
> > 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> > 1 tb cinnamon
> > 2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> > vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> > for the splenda)
> > 1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> > for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> > this myself.
> >
> > put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> > it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> > it's my favorite part of bulking.
>
> "Tons of calories" ????
>
> Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
> Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
> would be best.
>


Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
if he's lifting well.

As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?

Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
guys eat so much?"

Or are you just a god damn troll?

Jake

Jake
April 28th 04, 04:21 PM
"Razor" > wrote in message >...
> internet bench press wrote:
> > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> > >...
> >> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> >> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> >> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> >> very full. so what is the trick?
> >>
> >> My diet is based around:
> >> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >> 15% Fats
> >>
> >> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >> cycling twice a week.
> >
> >
> > Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> >
> > First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> > in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> > bulking.
> >
> > For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> > every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> > problem
> >
> > Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> > sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> > on the PB.
> >
> > The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> > barely ate anything.
> >
> > Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> > you up.
> >
> > eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> > try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> > you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
> >
> > use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> > taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
> >
> > having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> > bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> > from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> > dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
> >
> > Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> > half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> > day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> > carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> > filling.
> >
> > Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> > 1 cup oatmeal
> > 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> > 1 tb cinnamon
> > 2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> > vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> > for the splenda)
> > 1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> > for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> > this myself.
> >
> > put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> > it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> > it's my favorite part of bulking.
>
> "Tons of calories" ????
>
> Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
> Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
> would be best.
>


Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
if he's lifting well.

As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?

Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
guys eat so much?"

Or are you just a god damn troll?

Jake

DRS
April 28th 04, 04:47 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message


[...]

> But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all
> bottom posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I
> am respectful in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring
> myself to bottom post for you.

**** you too. It's the last time I help you.

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

DRS
April 28th 04, 04:47 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message


[...]

> But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all
> bottom posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I
> am respectful in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring
> myself to bottom post for you.

**** you too. It's the last time I help you.

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

DRS
April 28th 04, 04:47 PM
"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message


[...]

> But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all
> bottom posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I
> am respectful in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring
> myself to bottom post for you.

**** you too. It's the last time I help you.

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 04:50 PM
"Jake" > wrote in message
om...
> "Razor" > wrote in message
>...
> > internet bench press wrote:
> > > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> > > >...
> > >> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> > >> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> > >> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> > >> very full. so what is the trick?
> > >>
> > >> My diet is based around:
> > >> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > >> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > >> 15% Fats
> > >>
> > >> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> > >> cycling twice a week.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> > >
> > > First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> > > in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> > > bulking.
> > >
> > > For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> > > every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> > > problem
> > >
> > > Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> > > sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> > > on the PB.
> > >
> > > The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> > > barely ate anything.
> > >
> > > Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> > > you up.
> > >
> > > eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> > > try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> > > you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
> > >
> > > use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> > > taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
> > >
> > > having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> > > bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> > > from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> > > dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
> > >
> > > Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> > > half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> > > day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> > > carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> > > filling.
> > >
> > > Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> > > 1 cup oatmeal
> > > 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> > > 1 tb cinnamon
> > > 2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> > > vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> > > for the splenda)
> > > 1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> > > for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> > > this myself.
> > >
> > > put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> > > it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> > > it's my favorite part of bulking.
> >
> > "Tons of calories" ????
> >
> > Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
> > Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most
ridiculous
> > would be best.
> >
>
>
> Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
> comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
> they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
> fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
> if he's lifting well.
>
> As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
> know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
> naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?
>
> Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
> WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
> guys eat so much?"
>
> Or are you just a god damn troll?
>
> Jake

I gotta side with Jake on this one guys. He did answer the OP's question,
and I think pretty well too. There are other threads dealing with weight
loss, etc. This one is about how do I get more calories. Period.

In addition, I don't see any input from you guys to the OP. So you flame
somebody that makes an effort then hide your ignorance by not posting any
advice? Nice...

-Larry

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 04:50 PM
"Jake" > wrote in message
om...
> "Razor" > wrote in message
>...
> > internet bench press wrote:
> > > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> > > >...
> > >> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> > >> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> > >> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> > >> very full. so what is the trick?
> > >>
> > >> My diet is based around:
> > >> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > >> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > >> 15% Fats
> > >>
> > >> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> > >> cycling twice a week.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> > >
> > > First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> > > in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> > > bulking.
> > >
> > > For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> > > every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> > > problem
> > >
> > > Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> > > sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> > > on the PB.
> > >
> > > The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> > > barely ate anything.
> > >
> > > Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> > > you up.
> > >
> > > eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> > > try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> > > you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
> > >
> > > use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> > > taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
> > >
> > > having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> > > bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> > > from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> > > dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
> > >
> > > Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> > > half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> > > day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> > > carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> > > filling.
> > >
> > > Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> > > 1 cup oatmeal
> > > 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> > > 1 tb cinnamon
> > > 2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> > > vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> > > for the splenda)
> > > 1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> > > for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> > > this myself.
> > >
> > > put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> > > it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> > > it's my favorite part of bulking.
> >
> > "Tons of calories" ????
> >
> > Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
> > Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most
ridiculous
> > would be best.
> >
>
>
> Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
> comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
> they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
> fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
> if he's lifting well.
>
> As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
> know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
> naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?
>
> Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
> WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
> guys eat so much?"
>
> Or are you just a god damn troll?
>
> Jake

I gotta side with Jake on this one guys. He did answer the OP's question,
and I think pretty well too. There are other threads dealing with weight
loss, etc. This one is about how do I get more calories. Period.

In addition, I don't see any input from you guys to the OP. So you flame
somebody that makes an effort then hide your ignorance by not posting any
advice? Nice...

-Larry

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 04:50 PM
"Jake" > wrote in message
om...
> "Razor" > wrote in message
>...
> > internet bench press wrote:
> > > "jmgood" > wrote in message
> > > >...
> > >> I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> > >> I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> > >> constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> > >> very full. so what is the trick?
> > >>
> > >> My diet is based around:
> > >> 35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> > >> 50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> > >> 15% Fats
> > >>
> > >> Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> > >> cycling twice a week.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> > >
> > > First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> > > in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> > > bulking.
> > >
> > > For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> > > every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> > > problem
> > >
> > > Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> > > sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> > > on the PB.
> > >
> > > The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> > > barely ate anything.
> > >
> > > Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> > > you up.
> > >
> > > eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> > > try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> > > you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
> > >
> > > use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> > > taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
> > >
> > > having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> > > bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> > > from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> > > dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
> > >
> > > Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> > > half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> > > day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> > > carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> > > filling.
> > >
> > > Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> > > 1 cup oatmeal
> > > 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> > > 1 tb cinnamon
> > > 2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> > > vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> > > for the splenda)
> > > 1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> > > for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> > > this myself.
> > >
> > > put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> > > it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> > > it's my favorite part of bulking.
> >
> > "Tons of calories" ????
> >
> > Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
> > Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most
ridiculous
> > would be best.
> >
>
>
> Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
> comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
> they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
> fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
> if he's lifting well.
>
> As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
> know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
> naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?
>
> Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
> WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
> guys eat so much?"
>
> Or are you just a god damn troll?
>
> Jake

I gotta side with Jake on this one guys. He did answer the OP's question,
and I think pretty well too. There are other threads dealing with weight
loss, etc. This one is about how do I get more calories. Period.

In addition, I don't see any input from you guys to the OP. So you flame
somebody that makes an effort then hide your ignorance by not posting any
advice? Nice...

-Larry

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 04:54 PM
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:47:26 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

>
>[...]
>
>> But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all
>> bottom posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I
>> am respectful in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring
>> myself to bottom post for you.
>
>**** you too. It's the last time I help you.

Larry will no doubt be distraught at this bombshell.

However, if you add *him* to your "plonk" files, that will probably
mean that there will be only you left to talk to - unless of course
you little bugger (no pun intended) you are telling porkies!!

The person who needs your help the most, is your silly self Dave!! ;o)

"Oh that we could see ourselves as others see us"!!

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 04:54 PM
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:47:26 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

>
>[...]
>
>> But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all
>> bottom posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I
>> am respectful in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring
>> myself to bottom post for you.
>
>**** you too. It's the last time I help you.

Larry will no doubt be distraught at this bombshell.

However, if you add *him* to your "plonk" files, that will probably
mean that there will be only you left to talk to - unless of course
you little bugger (no pun intended) you are telling porkies!!

The person who needs your help the most, is your silly self Dave!! ;o)

"Oh that we could see ourselves as others see us"!!

John HUDSON
April 28th 04, 04:54 PM
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:47:26 +1000, "DRS"
> wrote:

>"Larry Hodges" > wrote in message

>
>[...]
>
>> But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all
>> bottom posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I
>> am respectful in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring
>> myself to bottom post for you.
>
>**** you too. It's the last time I help you.

Larry will no doubt be distraught at this bombshell.

However, if you add *him* to your "plonk" files, that will probably
mean that there will be only you left to talk to - unless of course
you little bugger (no pun intended) you are telling porkies!!

The person who needs your help the most, is your silly self Dave!! ;o)

"Oh that we could see ourselves as others see us"!!

geek_girl
April 28th 04, 05:05 PM
Jake wrote:
> "Razor" > wrote in message >...
>
>>internet bench press wrote:
>>
>>>"jmgood" > wrote in message
>...
>>>
>>>>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
>>>>I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
>>>>constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
>>>>very full. so what is the trick?
>>>>
>>>>My diet is based around:
>>>>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>>>>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>>>>15% Fats
>>>>
>>>>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>>>>cycling twice a week.
>>>
>>>
>>>Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
>>>
>>>First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
>>>in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
>>>bulking.
>>>
>>>For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
>>>every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
>>>problem
>>>
>>>Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
>>>sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
>>>on the PB.
>>>
>>>The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
>>>barely ate anything.
>>>
>>>Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
>>>you up.
>>>
>>>eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
>>>try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
>>>you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
>>>
>>>use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
>>>taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
>>>
>>>having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
>>>bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
>>>from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
>>>dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
>>>
>>>Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
>>>half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
>>>day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
>>>carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
>>>filling.
>>>
>>>Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
>>>1 cup oatmeal
>>>5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
>>>1 tb cinnamon
>>>2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
>>>vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
>>>for the splenda)
>>>1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
>>>for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
>>>this myself.
>>>
>>>put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
>>>it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
>>>it's my favorite part of bulking.
>>
>>"Tons of calories" ????
>>
>>Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
>>Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
>>would be best.
>>
>
>
>
> Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
> comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
> they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
> fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
> if he's lifting well.
>
> As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
> know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
> naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?
>
> Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
> WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
> guys eat so much?"
>
> Or are you just a god damn troll?
>
> Jake

I think he's a troll. Although he could be a genuine moron; it's hard to
tell. Anyway, I agree with most of what you said, but I think you're
making this bulking thing way more complicated than it needs to be. It's
actually very simple. Squat till you puke, then eat till you feel like
puking, but don't. Cuz if you puke after you eat, you have to start all
over.

geek_girl
April 28th 04, 05:05 PM
Jake wrote:
> "Razor" > wrote in message >...
>
>>internet bench press wrote:
>>
>>>"jmgood" > wrote in message
>...
>>>
>>>>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
>>>>I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
>>>>constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
>>>>very full. so what is the trick?
>>>>
>>>>My diet is based around:
>>>>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>>>>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>>>>15% Fats
>>>>
>>>>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>>>>cycling twice a week.
>>>
>>>
>>>Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
>>>
>>>First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
>>>in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
>>>bulking.
>>>
>>>For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
>>>every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
>>>problem
>>>
>>>Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
>>>sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
>>>on the PB.
>>>
>>>The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
>>>barely ate anything.
>>>
>>>Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
>>>you up.
>>>
>>>eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
>>>try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
>>>you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
>>>
>>>use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
>>>taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
>>>
>>>having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
>>>bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
>>>from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
>>>dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
>>>
>>>Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
>>>half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
>>>day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
>>>carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
>>>filling.
>>>
>>>Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
>>>1 cup oatmeal
>>>5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
>>>1 tb cinnamon
>>>2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
>>>vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
>>>for the splenda)
>>>1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
>>>for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
>>>this myself.
>>>
>>>put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
>>>it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
>>>it's my favorite part of bulking.
>>
>>"Tons of calories" ????
>>
>>Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
>>Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
>>would be best.
>>
>
>
>
> Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
> comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
> they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
> fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
> if he's lifting well.
>
> As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
> know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
> naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?
>
> Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
> WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
> guys eat so much?"
>
> Or are you just a god damn troll?
>
> Jake

I think he's a troll. Although he could be a genuine moron; it's hard to
tell. Anyway, I agree with most of what you said, but I think you're
making this bulking thing way more complicated than it needs to be. It's
actually very simple. Squat till you puke, then eat till you feel like
puking, but don't. Cuz if you puke after you eat, you have to start all
over.

geek_girl
April 28th 04, 05:05 PM
Jake wrote:
> "Razor" > wrote in message >...
>
>>internet bench press wrote:
>>
>>>"jmgood" > wrote in message
>...
>>>
>>>>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
>>>>I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
>>>>constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
>>>>very full. so what is the trick?
>>>>
>>>>My diet is based around:
>>>>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>>>>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>>>>15% Fats
>>>>
>>>>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>>>>cycling twice a week.
>>>
>>>
>>>Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
>>>
>>>First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
>>>in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
>>>bulking.
>>>
>>>For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
>>>every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
>>>problem
>>>
>>>Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
>>>sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
>>>on the PB.
>>>
>>>The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
>>>barely ate anything.
>>>
>>>Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
>>>you up.
>>>
>>>eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
>>>try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
>>>you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
>>>
>>>use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
>>>taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
>>>
>>>having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
>>>bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
>>>from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
>>>dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
>>>
>>>Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
>>>half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
>>>day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
>>>carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
>>>filling.
>>>
>>>Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
>>>1 cup oatmeal
>>>5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
>>>1 tb cinnamon
>>>2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
>>>vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
>>>for the splenda)
>>>1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
>>>for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
>>>this myself.
>>>
>>>put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
>>>it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
>>>it's my favorite part of bulking.
>>
>>"Tons of calories" ????
>>
>>Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
>>Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
>>would be best.
>>
>
>
>
> Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
> comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
> they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
> fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
> if he's lifting well.
>
> As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
> know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
> naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?
>
> Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
> WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
> guys eat so much?"
>
> Or are you just a god damn troll?
>
> Jake

I think he's a troll. Although he could be a genuine moron; it's hard to
tell. Anyway, I agree with most of what you said, but I think you're
making this bulking thing way more complicated than it needs to be. It's
actually very simple. Squat till you puke, then eat till you feel like
puking, but don't. Cuz if you puke after you eat, you have to start all
over.

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 05:06 PM
Damn...how will I ever survive without your wisdom and incite? And I was
seriously cordial to you Dave. C'mon...group hug.

You get so bent out of shape so easily SuperDaveMan. The top posting was
all in fun (you're the one with the sig line trolling for it), while having
a serious conversation on a serious topic. You call John a ****, when in
fact you're the one with 24/7/365 PMS. You should report this thread as
abuse since it was like all top posted and stuff.

-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]

> **** you too. It's the last time I help you.
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 05:06 PM
Damn...how will I ever survive without your wisdom and incite? And I was
seriously cordial to you Dave. C'mon...group hug.

You get so bent out of shape so easily SuperDaveMan. The top posting was
all in fun (you're the one with the sig line trolling for it), while having
a serious conversation on a serious topic. You call John a ****, when in
fact you're the one with 24/7/365 PMS. You should report this thread as
abuse since it was like all top posted and stuff.

-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]

> **** you too. It's the last time I help you.
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 05:06 PM
Damn...how will I ever survive without your wisdom and incite? And I was
seriously cordial to you Dave. C'mon...group hug.

You get so bent out of shape so easily SuperDaveMan. The top posting was
all in fun (you're the one with the sig line trolling for it), while having
a serious conversation on a serious topic. You call John a ****, when in
fact you're the one with 24/7/365 PMS. You should report this thread as
abuse since it was like all top posted and stuff.

-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]

> **** you too. It's the last time I help you.
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 05:14 PM
I almost forgot...didn't I say you could sit at our table and have a couple
of pints with us? It was only Mr. Poo that is banned from this privilege.
I even made a point of saying you were welcome at our table. Where's the
love Dave...where's the love? It's time you re-listened to your Village
People cassettes to gain perspective again.

-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]
>
> > But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all
> > bottom posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I
> > am respectful in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring
> > myself to bottom post for you.
>
> **** you too. It's the last time I help you.
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 05:14 PM
I almost forgot...didn't I say you could sit at our table and have a couple
of pints with us? It was only Mr. Poo that is banned from this privilege.
I even made a point of saying you were welcome at our table. Where's the
love Dave...where's the love? It's time you re-listened to your Village
People cassettes to gain perspective again.

-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]
>
> > But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all
> > bottom posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I
> > am respectful in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring
> > myself to bottom post for you.
>
> **** you too. It's the last time I help you.
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Larry Hodges
April 28th 04, 05:14 PM
I almost forgot...didn't I say you could sit at our table and have a couple
of pints with us? It was only Mr. Poo that is banned from this privilege.
I even made a point of saying you were welcome at our table. Where's the
love Dave...where's the love? It's time you re-listened to your Village
People cassettes to gain perspective again.

-Larry


"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "Larry Hodges" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]
>
> > But if you look at any other posts I make on this forum, they are all
> > bottom posts. Yes, I top post for your benefit only. Even though I
> > am respectful in on topic threads with you, I can't seem to bring
> > myself to bottom post for you.
>
> **** you too. It's the last time I help you.
>
> --
>
> A: Top-posters.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Jake
April 29th 04, 02:03 AM
geek_girl > wrote in message >...
> Jake wrote:
> > "Razor" > wrote in message >...
> >
> >>internet bench press wrote:
> >>
> >>>"jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
> >>>
> >>>>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> >>>>I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> >>>>constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> >>>>very full. so what is the trick?
> >>>>
> >>>>My diet is based around:
> >>>>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >>>>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >>>>15% Fats
> >>>>
> >>>>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >>>>cycling twice a week.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> >>>
> >>>First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> >>>in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> >>>bulking.
> >>>
> >>>For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> >>>every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> >>>problem
> >>>
> >>>Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> >>>sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> >>>on the PB.
> >>>
> >>>The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> >>>barely ate anything.
> >>>
> >>>Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> >>>you up.
> >>>
> >>>eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> >>>try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> >>>you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
> >>>
> >>>use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> >>>taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
> >>>
> >>>having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> >>>bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> >>>from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> >>>dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
> >>>
> >>>Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> >>>half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> >>>day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> >>>carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> >>>filling.
> >>>
> >>>Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> >>>1 cup oatmeal
> >>>5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> >>>1 tb cinnamon
> >>>2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> >>>vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> >>>for the splenda)
> >>>1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> >>>for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> >>>this myself.
> >>>
> >>>put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> >>>it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> >>>it's my favorite part of bulking.
> >>
> >>"Tons of calories" ????
> >>
> >>Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
> >>Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
> >>would be best.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
> > comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
> > they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
> > fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
> > if he's lifting well.
> >
> > As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
> > know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
> > naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?
> >
> > Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
> > WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
> > guys eat so much?"
> >
> > Or are you just a god damn troll?
> >
> > Jake
>
> I think he's a troll. Although he could be a genuine moron; it's hard to
> tell. Anyway, I agree with most of what you said, but I think you're
> making this bulking thing way more complicated than it needs to be. It's
> actually very simple. Squat till you puke, then eat till you feel like
> puking, but don't. Cuz if you puke after you eat, you have to start all
> over.

If it's worth anything to you, I "lol"ed at that last sentence.

Well it's not that I'm saying "to bulk you have to do THIS", it's more
so that these are tricks I use to eat more. I'm an analytical chap.
I like making things complicated <emoticon>

I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
should eat clean while bulking. I recognize and respect that others
find it most productive for them to just shovel in as much junk food
as possible, but I'd prefer trying to gain at a steady rate and
keeping it clean. Maybe some day I'll come over to the other side and
realize it doesn't make a difference, but for me I've found it does
(when I took cheat meals and got less clean with my diet during
bulking I noticed a difference, but that might just be me being crazy)

Besides, every little detail, when put together, can provide a bit of
an edge. Even though that edge might be very small, it's still
something, and when you look like me, you need all the help you can
get.

Jake
April 29th 04, 02:03 AM
geek_girl > wrote in message >...
> Jake wrote:
> > "Razor" > wrote in message >...
> >
> >>internet bench press wrote:
> >>
> >>>"jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
> >>>
> >>>>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> >>>>I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> >>>>constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> >>>>very full. so what is the trick?
> >>>>
> >>>>My diet is based around:
> >>>>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >>>>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >>>>15% Fats
> >>>>
> >>>>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >>>>cycling twice a week.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> >>>
> >>>First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> >>>in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> >>>bulking.
> >>>
> >>>For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> >>>every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> >>>problem
> >>>
> >>>Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> >>>sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> >>>on the PB.
> >>>
> >>>The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> >>>barely ate anything.
> >>>
> >>>Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> >>>you up.
> >>>
> >>>eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> >>>try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> >>>you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
> >>>
> >>>use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> >>>taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
> >>>
> >>>having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> >>>bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> >>>from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> >>>dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
> >>>
> >>>Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> >>>half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> >>>day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> >>>carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> >>>filling.
> >>>
> >>>Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> >>>1 cup oatmeal
> >>>5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> >>>1 tb cinnamon
> >>>2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> >>>vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> >>>for the splenda)
> >>>1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> >>>for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> >>>this myself.
> >>>
> >>>put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> >>>it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> >>>it's my favorite part of bulking.
> >>
> >>"Tons of calories" ????
> >>
> >>Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
> >>Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
> >>would be best.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
> > comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
> > they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
> > fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
> > if he's lifting well.
> >
> > As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
> > know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
> > naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?
> >
> > Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
> > WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
> > guys eat so much?"
> >
> > Or are you just a god damn troll?
> >
> > Jake
>
> I think he's a troll. Although he could be a genuine moron; it's hard to
> tell. Anyway, I agree with most of what you said, but I think you're
> making this bulking thing way more complicated than it needs to be. It's
> actually very simple. Squat till you puke, then eat till you feel like
> puking, but don't. Cuz if you puke after you eat, you have to start all
> over.

If it's worth anything to you, I "lol"ed at that last sentence.

Well it's not that I'm saying "to bulk you have to do THIS", it's more
so that these are tricks I use to eat more. I'm an analytical chap.
I like making things complicated <emoticon>

I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
should eat clean while bulking. I recognize and respect that others
find it most productive for them to just shovel in as much junk food
as possible, but I'd prefer trying to gain at a steady rate and
keeping it clean. Maybe some day I'll come over to the other side and
realize it doesn't make a difference, but for me I've found it does
(when I took cheat meals and got less clean with my diet during
bulking I noticed a difference, but that might just be me being crazy)

Besides, every little detail, when put together, can provide a bit of
an edge. Even though that edge might be very small, it's still
something, and when you look like me, you need all the help you can
get.

Jake
April 29th 04, 02:03 AM
geek_girl > wrote in message >...
> Jake wrote:
> > "Razor" > wrote in message >...
> >
> >>internet bench press wrote:
> >>
> >>>"jmgood" > wrote in message
> >...
> >>>
> >>>>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle.
> >>>>I found that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains
> >>>>constant, so I thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very
> >>>>very full. so what is the trick?
> >>>>
> >>>>My diet is based around:
> >>>>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
> >>>>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
> >>>>15% Fats
> >>>>
> >>>>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
> >>>>cycling twice a week.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Why Mr. Jmgood, it's as easy as pie! Mmm pie.
> >>>
> >>>First of all, have more than 15% from fat. It will be easier to get
> >>>in more calories, and fat is perfectly good for you to have while
> >>>bulking.
> >>>
> >>>For me, if I eat every 3 hours for a few weeks, I start to get hungry
> >>>every few hours, and being excessively full isn't that much of a
> >>>problem
> >>>
> >>>Oils are great...but so is natural peanut butter. A liberal PB&J
> >>>sammich is easily 600 calories or more. Go easy on the jelly. Heavy
> >>>on the PB.
> >>>
> >>>The advantage with oils is that (for me at least) it can be like you
> >>>barely ate anything.
> >>>
> >>>Don't drink too much water before or during your meals, it can fill
> >>>you up.
> >>>
> >>>eat standing up, and eat fast, before you know you're real full, and
> >>>try not to think of it like a sit down meal - you eat on the go and
> >>>you try not to notice that food is going in to your mouth.
> >>>
> >>>use spices and (reasonably healthy/low cal) sauces to make your foods
> >>>taste better, it can be more motivating to eat it.
> >>>
> >>>having a big post workout liquid meal is a productive way to have a
> >>>bunch of calories. Say 1/4 your wieght in lbs for grams of protein
> >>>from whey, and 1/2 your weight in lbs for grams of maltodextrin and/or
> >>>dextrose. That's gonna be a bunch of calories. Mmmm...glycogen...
> >>>
> >>>Something I do is I actually have my carb + protein meals in the first
> >>>half of the day and my protein + fat meals in the second half of the
> >>>day. Fat in every meal = being full at every meal. After a bunch of
> >>>carbs, you can probably still handle more carbs, as fat can be quite
> >>>filling.
> >>>
> >>>Here is a delicious breakfast - oatmeal pancakes
> >>>1 cup oatmeal
> >>>5 egg whites, 1 whole egg (or more yolks, whatevs)
> >>>1 tb cinnamon
> >>>2 tb splenda (if you're not worried about eating clean, then some
> >>>vanilla syrup stuff, maybe even maple syrup, might be good. But I go
> >>>for the splenda)
> >>>1/2 cup raisins (high gi if you're trying to be anal-clean)
> >>>for more cals you could put in nuts or peanut butter, I haven't tried
> >>>this myself.
> >>>
> >>>put it on a pan and cook it. It's delicious, when I'm bulking I have
> >>>it literally every morning for breakfast. Tons of calories. I swear
> >>>it's my favorite part of bulking.
> >>
> >>"Tons of calories" ????
> >>
> >>Yikes!! Jake just discovered magic. Eat all you want and not get fat.
> >>Your entire post is nonsense but I thought pointing out the most ridiculous
> >>would be best.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting, you ****ing retard - apparently you have failed reading
> > comprehension, or you simply like to imagine people writing things
> > they didn't write. Did I say at any point anything about not gaining
> > fat? No. I didn't. Of course he's going to gain fat. And muscle,
> > if he's lifting well.
> >
> > As I wrote to "Razor", have YOU ever gone on a bulking cycle? Do you
> > know what a bulking cycle is? Do you understand the concept of how to
> > naturally gain significant LBM once you are not a newbie?
> >
> > Have you been following this thread at all? The OP wants to GAIN
> > WEIGHT. He wants to EAT MORE FOOD. Hence the subject "How do you
> > guys eat so much?"
> >
> > Or are you just a god damn troll?
> >
> > Jake
>
> I think he's a troll. Although he could be a genuine moron; it's hard to
> tell. Anyway, I agree with most of what you said, but I think you're
> making this bulking thing way more complicated than it needs to be. It's
> actually very simple. Squat till you puke, then eat till you feel like
> puking, but don't. Cuz if you puke after you eat, you have to start all
> over.

If it's worth anything to you, I "lol"ed at that last sentence.

Well it's not that I'm saying "to bulk you have to do THIS", it's more
so that these are tricks I use to eat more. I'm an analytical chap.
I like making things complicated <emoticon>

I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
should eat clean while bulking. I recognize and respect that others
find it most productive for them to just shovel in as much junk food
as possible, but I'd prefer trying to gain at a steady rate and
keeping it clean. Maybe some day I'll come over to the other side and
realize it doesn't make a difference, but for me I've found it does
(when I took cheat meals and got less clean with my diet during
bulking I noticed a difference, but that might just be me being crazy)

Besides, every little detail, when put together, can provide a bit of
an edge. Even though that edge might be very small, it's still
something, and when you look like me, you need all the help you can
get.

John M. Williams
April 29th 04, 02:36 AM
(Jake) wrote:
>
>I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
>should eat clean while bulking.

Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?

Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."

John M. Williams
April 29th 04, 02:36 AM
(Jake) wrote:
>
>I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
>should eat clean while bulking.

Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?

Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."

John M. Williams
April 29th 04, 02:36 AM
(Jake) wrote:
>
>I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
>should eat clean while bulking.

Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?

Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."

Jake
April 29th 04, 04:21 PM
John M. Williams > wrote in message >...
> (Jake) wrote:
> >
> >I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
> >should eat clean while bulking.
>
> Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?
>
> Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
> clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."

Yes, I eat dirt the rest of the time. On my cheat days.

I don't read the mag. My concept of eating clean is to keep things
relatively low gi & low ii (except around workout time), low in
saturated fat, low in trans fat, and with no added sugars or
hydrogenated oils. Basically "whole" foods, like non instant oatmeal,
boneless chicken breast, natural peanut butter, eggs, eggwhites,
cottage cheese, etc. I'm flexible, but I try to keep my diet within
those paremeters.

Do you think the concept of eating clean is nonsensical, or just Men's
Fitness's instruction on the matter?

Jake

Jake
April 29th 04, 04:21 PM
John M. Williams > wrote in message >...
> (Jake) wrote:
> >
> >I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
> >should eat clean while bulking.
>
> Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?
>
> Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
> clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."

Yes, I eat dirt the rest of the time. On my cheat days.

I don't read the mag. My concept of eating clean is to keep things
relatively low gi & low ii (except around workout time), low in
saturated fat, low in trans fat, and with no added sugars or
hydrogenated oils. Basically "whole" foods, like non instant oatmeal,
boneless chicken breast, natural peanut butter, eggs, eggwhites,
cottage cheese, etc. I'm flexible, but I try to keep my diet within
those paremeters.

Do you think the concept of eating clean is nonsensical, or just Men's
Fitness's instruction on the matter?

Jake

Jake
April 29th 04, 04:21 PM
John M. Williams > wrote in message >...
> (Jake) wrote:
> >
> >I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
> >should eat clean while bulking.
>
> Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?
>
> Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
> clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."

Yes, I eat dirt the rest of the time. On my cheat days.

I don't read the mag. My concept of eating clean is to keep things
relatively low gi & low ii (except around workout time), low in
saturated fat, low in trans fat, and with no added sugars or
hydrogenated oils. Basically "whole" foods, like non instant oatmeal,
boneless chicken breast, natural peanut butter, eggs, eggwhites,
cottage cheese, etc. I'm flexible, but I try to keep my diet within
those paremeters.

Do you think the concept of eating clean is nonsensical, or just Men's
Fitness's instruction on the matter?

Jake

Proton Soup
April 30th 04, 12:10 AM
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:22:36 -0400, John M. Williams
> wrote:

(Jake) wrote:
>
>>John M. Williams > wrote:
>>> (Jake) wrote:
>>> >
>>> >I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
>>> >should eat clean while bulking.
>>>
>>> Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?
>>>
>>> Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
>>> clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."
>>
>>Yes, I eat dirt the rest of the time. On my cheat days.
>>
>>I don't read the mag. My concept of eating clean is to keep things
>>relatively low gi & low ii (except around workout time), low in
>>saturated fat, low in trans fat, and with no added sugars or
>>hydrogenated oils. Basically "whole" foods, like non instant oatmeal,
>>boneless chicken breast, natural peanut butter, eggs, eggwhites,
>>cottage cheese, etc. I'm flexible, but I try to keep my diet within
>>those paremeters.
>>
>>Do you think the concept of eating clean is nonsensical
>
>I think the term "eating clean" is nonsensical, and it belongs right
>beside "toning" in the MFW lexicon. Besides being a silly misnomer
>characteristic of rah-rah-TV-fitness-boy pseudo-celebrities, it is a
>gross over-generalization, and it is pitched to the average moron the
>same way that "toning" is.
>
>Is that clear enough?

Hmmm, I try to eat "clean", but to me that mostly means rarely buying
any "food" that comes in a cardboard box. But sometimes, when I just
want to feel dirty, I'll boil up a pack of ramen noodles or pop one of
those $.99 Jeno's pizzas in the oven.

Proton Soup

Proton Soup
April 30th 04, 12:10 AM
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:22:36 -0400, John M. Williams
> wrote:

(Jake) wrote:
>
>>John M. Williams > wrote:
>>> (Jake) wrote:
>>> >
>>> >I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
>>> >should eat clean while bulking.
>>>
>>> Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?
>>>
>>> Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
>>> clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."
>>
>>Yes, I eat dirt the rest of the time. On my cheat days.
>>
>>I don't read the mag. My concept of eating clean is to keep things
>>relatively low gi & low ii (except around workout time), low in
>>saturated fat, low in trans fat, and with no added sugars or
>>hydrogenated oils. Basically "whole" foods, like non instant oatmeal,
>>boneless chicken breast, natural peanut butter, eggs, eggwhites,
>>cottage cheese, etc. I'm flexible, but I try to keep my diet within
>>those paremeters.
>>
>>Do you think the concept of eating clean is nonsensical
>
>I think the term "eating clean" is nonsensical, and it belongs right
>beside "toning" in the MFW lexicon. Besides being a silly misnomer
>characteristic of rah-rah-TV-fitness-boy pseudo-celebrities, it is a
>gross over-generalization, and it is pitched to the average moron the
>same way that "toning" is.
>
>Is that clear enough?

Hmmm, I try to eat "clean", but to me that mostly means rarely buying
any "food" that comes in a cardboard box. But sometimes, when I just
want to feel dirty, I'll boil up a pack of ramen noodles or pop one of
those $.99 Jeno's pizzas in the oven.

Proton Soup

John M. Williams
April 30th 04, 12:22 AM
(Jake) wrote:

>John M. Williams > wrote:
>> (Jake) wrote:
>> >
>> >I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
>> >should eat clean while bulking.
>>
>> Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?
>>
>> Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
>> clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."
>
>Yes, I eat dirt the rest of the time. On my cheat days.
>
>I don't read the mag. My concept of eating clean is to keep things
>relatively low gi & low ii (except around workout time), low in
>saturated fat, low in trans fat, and with no added sugars or
>hydrogenated oils. Basically "whole" foods, like non instant oatmeal,
>boneless chicken breast, natural peanut butter, eggs, eggwhites,
>cottage cheese, etc. I'm flexible, but I try to keep my diet within
>those paremeters.
>
>Do you think the concept of eating clean is nonsensical

I think the term "eating clean" is nonsensical, and it belongs right
beside "toning" in the MFW lexicon. Besides being a silly misnomer
characteristic of rah-rah-TV-fitness-boy pseudo-celebrities, it is a
gross over-generalization, and it is pitched to the average moron the
same way that "toning" is.

Is that clear enough?

John M. Williams
April 30th 04, 12:22 AM
(Jake) wrote:

>John M. Williams > wrote:
>> (Jake) wrote:
>> >
>> >I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
>> >should eat clean while bulking.
>>
>> Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?
>>
>> Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
>> clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."
>
>Yes, I eat dirt the rest of the time. On my cheat days.
>
>I don't read the mag. My concept of eating clean is to keep things
>relatively low gi & low ii (except around workout time), low in
>saturated fat, low in trans fat, and with no added sugars or
>hydrogenated oils. Basically "whole" foods, like non instant oatmeal,
>boneless chicken breast, natural peanut butter, eggs, eggwhites,
>cottage cheese, etc. I'm flexible, but I try to keep my diet within
>those paremeters.
>
>Do you think the concept of eating clean is nonsensical

I think the term "eating clean" is nonsensical, and it belongs right
beside "toning" in the MFW lexicon. Besides being a silly misnomer
characteristic of rah-rah-TV-fitness-boy pseudo-celebrities, it is a
gross over-generalization, and it is pitched to the average moron the
same way that "toning" is.

Is that clear enough?

Lee Michaels
April 30th 04, 01:17 AM
"John M. Williams" wrote
>
> I think the term "eating clean" is nonsensical, and it belongs right
> beside "toning" in the MFW lexicon. Besides being a silly misnomer
> characteristic of rah-rah-TV-fitness-boy pseudo-celebrities, it is a
> gross over-generalization, and it is pitched to the average moron the
> same way that "toning" is.
>
Whenever I hear this moronic term, I have a flashback on my grandmother
telling me to never eat food that has fallen on the floor because it is
"unclean". I believe "unclean" is a religious term.

Lee Michaels
April 30th 04, 01:17 AM
"John M. Williams" wrote
>
> I think the term "eating clean" is nonsensical, and it belongs right
> beside "toning" in the MFW lexicon. Besides being a silly misnomer
> characteristic of rah-rah-TV-fitness-boy pseudo-celebrities, it is a
> gross over-generalization, and it is pitched to the average moron the
> same way that "toning" is.
>
Whenever I hear this moronic term, I have a flashback on my grandmother
telling me to never eat food that has fallen on the floor because it is
"unclean". I believe "unclean" is a religious term.

Jake
April 30th 04, 02:56 PM
John M. Williams > wrote in message >...
> (Jake) wrote:
>
> >John M. Williams > wrote:
> >> (Jake) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
> >> >should eat clean while bulking.
> >>
> >> Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?
> >>
> >> Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
> >> clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."
> >
> >Yes, I eat dirt the rest of the time. On my cheat days.
> >
> >I don't read the mag. My concept of eating clean is to keep things
> >relatively low gi & low ii (except around workout time), low in
> >saturated fat, low in trans fat, and with no added sugars or
> >hydrogenated oils. Basically "whole" foods, like non instant oatmeal,
> >boneless chicken breast, natural peanut butter, eggs, eggwhites,
> >cottage cheese, etc. I'm flexible, but I try to keep my diet within
> >those paremeters.
> >
> >Do you think the concept of eating clean is nonsensical
>
> I think the term "eating clean" is nonsensical, and it belongs right
> beside "toning" in the MFW lexicon. Besides being a silly misnomer
> characteristic of rah-rah-TV-fitness-boy pseudo-celebrities, it is a
> gross over-generalization, and it is pitched to the average moron the
> same way that "toning" is.
>
> Is that clear enough?

Sort of. I googled this ng for the term "eating clean" and found some
people saying the same thing as you.

My question is do you have anything AGAINST the kind of diet I
described above? Or are you just talking about the word?

You have to understand I don't watch the infomercials, I don't read
the mags, so I don't know what the concept is usually touted as.

Come to think of it, I do remember hearing/reading some people talk
about how for bbing they wouldn't eat lower grade meats, or a salad at
a restaurant as you don't know how the veggies prepared - THAT sounds
dumb to me.

Are you saying that you think the term "clean" is just too
non-descript to describe *good* eating, or are you saying it's stupid
to base one's diet around what I wrote above?

Jake

Jake
April 30th 04, 02:56 PM
John M. Williams > wrote in message >...
> (Jake) wrote:
>
> >John M. Williams > wrote:
> >> (Jake) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >I'm of the tan-in-a-bottle-bodybuilder belief that if you can, you
> >> >should eat clean while bulking.
> >>
> >> Do you eat dirt the rest of the time?
> >>
> >> Unless, of course, you mean the Men's Fitness concept of "eating
> >> clean," which is just as nonsensical as the concept of "toning."
> >
> >Yes, I eat dirt the rest of the time. On my cheat days.
> >
> >I don't read the mag. My concept of eating clean is to keep things
> >relatively low gi & low ii (except around workout time), low in
> >saturated fat, low in trans fat, and with no added sugars or
> >hydrogenated oils. Basically "whole" foods, like non instant oatmeal,
> >boneless chicken breast, natural peanut butter, eggs, eggwhites,
> >cottage cheese, etc. I'm flexible, but I try to keep my diet within
> >those paremeters.
> >
> >Do you think the concept of eating clean is nonsensical
>
> I think the term "eating clean" is nonsensical, and it belongs right
> beside "toning" in the MFW lexicon. Besides being a silly misnomer
> characteristic of rah-rah-TV-fitness-boy pseudo-celebrities, it is a
> gross over-generalization, and it is pitched to the average moron the
> same way that "toning" is.
>
> Is that clear enough?

Sort of. I googled this ng for the term "eating clean" and found some
people saying the same thing as you.

My question is do you have anything AGAINST the kind of diet I
described above? Or are you just talking about the word?

You have to understand I don't watch the infomercials, I don't read
the mags, so I don't know what the concept is usually touted as.

Come to think of it, I do remember hearing/reading some people talk
about how for bbing they wouldn't eat lower grade meats, or a salad at
a restaurant as you don't know how the veggies prepared - THAT sounds
dumb to me.

Are you saying that you think the term "clean" is just too
non-descript to describe *good* eating, or are you saying it's stupid
to base one's diet around what I wrote above?

Jake

Proton Soup
April 30th 04, 04:41 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:06:20 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
> wrote:

>Damn...how will I ever survive without your wisdom and incite?

Hehe, that's going in the act !

Proton Soup

Proton Soup
April 30th 04, 04:41 PM
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:06:20 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
> wrote:

>Damn...how will I ever survive without your wisdom and incite?

Hehe, that's going in the act !

Proton Soup

Axel of the North!
May 4th 04, 03:45 PM
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:50:46 +0100, "jmgood" >
wrote:

>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>trick?
>
>My diet is based around:
>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>15% Fats
>
>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>cycling twice a week.
>

Since no one else has been kind enough to "step up to the plate",
except for that idiot-moron-retard who went on about eating "clean"
(sheesh, what a stupid, non-descript concept, has no relevance to real
life but then you get that kind of stupid BS all the time here in
m.f.w, I mean, who ever heard about being selective in the foods you
put into your body, especially if you are health-conscious, give me a
break!). I shall provide you with a simple and American answer.

You don't want to have to work for this, you want a magic pill that
will automagically solve all of your problems. Thankfully, not only
does the solution exist in one herb/drug, but it also helps you to
enjoy life, confront past psychological "issues" and makes television
viewing a more acceptable activity.

Your solution is: smoke marijuana or take marinol.

YWIA

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence;
supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without
fighting." - Sun Tzu

Axel of the North!
May 4th 04, 03:45 PM
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:50:46 +0100, "jmgood" >
wrote:

>I been trying to get my caloric intake up to help gain some muscle. I found
>that if I eat around 2200 Kcal per day my weight remains constant, so I
>thought I would up it by 500 Kcal, but I feel very very full. so what is the
>trick?
>
>My diet is based around:
>35% Protein (Whey, Eggs, Milk, Meat & Fish)
>50% Carbs (Rice, Pasta, Fruit)
>15% Fats
>
>Weight training is based on the HST program three times a week + some
>cycling twice a week.
>

Since no one else has been kind enough to "step up to the plate",
except for that idiot-moron-retard who went on about eating "clean"
(sheesh, what a stupid, non-descript concept, has no relevance to real
life but then you get that kind of stupid BS all the time here in
m.f.w, I mean, who ever heard about being selective in the foods you
put into your body, especially if you are health-conscious, give me a
break!). I shall provide you with a simple and American answer.

You don't want to have to work for this, you want a magic pill that
will automagically solve all of your problems. Thankfully, not only
does the solution exist in one herb/drug, but it also helps you to
enjoy life, confront past psychological "issues" and makes television
viewing a more acceptable activity.

Your solution is: smoke marijuana or take marinol.

YWIA

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence;
supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without
fighting." - Sun Tzu