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HIT Fanatic
May 22nd 04, 10:20 PM
The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
without a spotter.

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
(Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)

Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat on
the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 22nd 04, 11:40 PM
HIT Fanatic > wrote:

> The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
> without a spotter.
>
> http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
> (Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
>
> Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
> foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat on
> the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.

all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!

Me
May 23rd 04, 12:01 AM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> HIT Fanatic > wrote:
>
>
>>The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
>>without a spotter.
>>
>>http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
>>(Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
>>
>>Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
>>foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat on
>>the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.
>
>
> all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!

j00 hace spent too much tyme in AHM. ;-)

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 23rd 04, 03:17 AM
Me > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> > HIT Fanatic > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
> >>without a spotter.
> >>
> >>http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
> >>(Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
> >>
> >>Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
> >>foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat on
> >>the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.
> >
> >
> > all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
>
> j00 hace spent too much tyme in AHM. ;-)

alt.fan.karl.malden-nose, actually. heh.

Me
May 23rd 04, 03:26 AM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> Me > wrote:


>>j00 hace spent too much tyme in AHM. ;-)
>
>
> alt.fan.karl.malden-nose, actually. heh.

Yeah, I've seen you smote mightily the unworth therein on occasion...
some excellent quality smackage I might add. :-)
The nose is often crossposted to AHM.

elzinator
May 23rd 04, 04:12 AM
On Sat, 22 May 2004 21:20:34 GMT, HIT Fanatic wrote:
>The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
>without a spotter.
>
>http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
>(Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)

Jesus, we don't need no stinkin' animated pic. We make our own.

(after max benches and deadlifts, I'm tuckered)

BUT REVENGE WILL BE MINE!!!!!!

Oh wait......


wrong movie

elzinator
May 23rd 04, 04:20 AM
On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:59 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>HIT Fanatic > wrote:
>
>> The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
>> without a spotter.
>>
>> http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
>> (Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
>>
>> Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
>> foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat on
>> the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.
>
>all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!

And did you make your offering to the Deadlift alter today.

And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?

I need to get laid or something......

Engorged With Blood
May 23rd 04, 06:00 AM
>From: elzinator
>Date: 5/22/2004 8:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time

>
>And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
>to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
>plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
>power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
>that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
>exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
>floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
>your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?
>
>I need to get laid or something......
>

Just for you, Elzi---a man & his huge cock:
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" [It] is the most bizarre conspiracy in the history of the world. It'll come
out at a future date."
Jack Ruby

John HUDSON
May 23rd 04, 09:05 AM
On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:12:24 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:

>On Sat, 22 May 2004 21:20:34 GMT, HIT Fanatic wrote:
>>The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
>>without a spotter.
>>
>>http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
>>(Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
>
>Jesus, we don't need no stinkin' animated pic. We make our own.

No "we" don't!!

A couple of you may be quite impressed that you have just mastered
this vainglorious dubious art, but *you* don't speak for all of us!!
;o)

HAGS!!

John HUDSON
May 23rd 04, 09:06 AM
On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:20:07 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:

>On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:59 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>HIT Fanatic > wrote:
>>
>>> The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
>>> without a spotter.
>>>
>>> http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
>>> (Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
>>>
>>> Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
>>> foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat on
>>> the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.
>>
>>all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
>
>And did you make your offering to the Deadlift alter today.
>
>And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
>to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
>plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
>power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
>that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
>exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
>floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
>your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?
>
>I need to get laid or something......
>

Or "something" I suspect!! ;o)

Dr. Dickie
May 23rd 04, 11:09 AM
On Sun, 23 May 2004 02:17:39 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>Me > wrote:
>
>> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> > HIT Fanatic > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
>> >>without a spotter.
>> >>
>> >>http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
>> >>(Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
>> >>
>> >>Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
>> >>foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat on
>> >>the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.
>> >
>> >
>> > all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
>>
>> j00 hace spent too much tyme in AHM. ;-)
>
>alt.fan.karl.malden-nose, actually. heh.

Ahh yes. I remember the Queen from the Great Troll invasion of AHM of
1998, or was that 1997? Truly some hilarious material that battle was.

Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
====================================
"Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream"
Wallace Stevens-1923
=====================================

Me
May 23rd 04, 04:15 PM
Dr. Dickie wrote:

> Ahh yes. I remember the Queen from the Great Troll invasion of AHM of
> 1998, or was that 1997? Truly some hilarious material that battle was.

It was hilarious. The trolls turned the place into what can only be
described as a scene from the movie "Gremlins"... I mean awe inspiring
chaos, LOL. The hackers "outed" a good many of the trolls, hacked their
news server a couple of times,... even busted a few of their personal
machines. Was great fun regardless of which "side" you were on. Some of
the hackers were playing both sides just trying to keep it stirred up
because it was such fun, LOL.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 23rd 04, 05:39 PM
Me > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> > Me > wrote:
>
>
> >>j00 hace spent too much tyme in AHM. ;-)
> >
> >
> > alt.fan.karl.malden-nose, actually. heh.
>
> Yeah, I've seen you smote mightily the unworth therein on occasion...
> some excellent quality smackage I might add. :-)
> The nose is often crossposted to AHM.

hah, i never thought i was any good at smacking anyone down. i was
always just running interference and providing straight man services to
the people with real talent.

still, it's nice to be remembered :)

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 23rd 04, 05:39 PM
Dr. Dickie > wrote:

> On Sun, 23 May 2004 02:17:39 GMT, (The Queen of
> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> >Me > wrote:
> >
> >> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >> > HIT Fanatic > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
> >> >>without a spotter.
> >> >>
> >> >>http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
> >> >>(Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
> >> >>
> >> >>Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat)
> >> >>are foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form
> >> >>to cheat on the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep
> >> >>you honest.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
> >>
> >> j00 hace spent too much tyme in AHM. ;-)
> >
> >alt.fan.karl.malden-nose, actually. heh.
>
> Ahh yes. I remember the Queen from the Great Troll invasion of AHM of
> 1998, or was that 1997? Truly some hilarious material that battle was.

something like that. i was in the 'nose for a loooooooooong time.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 23rd 04, 05:39 PM
elzinator > wrote:

> On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:59 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >HIT Fanatic > wrote:
> >
> >> The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
> >> without a spotter.
> >>
> >> http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
> >> (Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
> >>
> >> Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
> >> foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat on
> >> the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.
> >
> >all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
>
> And did you make your offering to the Deadlift alter today.

indeed i did. two glorious sets. (plus upright rows! w00t!)

> And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
> to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
> plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
> power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
> that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
> exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
> floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
> your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?

amen, sister. preach the good word!

> I need to get laid or something......

it's only through the grace of the deadlift and the constancy of my
daily devotionals to it that i'm finally starting to feel like i'm
worthy of getting laid again.

elzinator
May 23rd 04, 10:57 PM
On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:39:46 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>elzinator > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:59 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> >HIT Fanatic > wrote:

>> >all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
>>
>> And did you make your offering to the Deadlift alter today.
>
>indeed i did. two glorious sets. (plus upright rows! w00t!)

Right on!

>> And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
>> to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
>> plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
>> power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
>> that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
>> exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
>> floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
>> your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?
>
>amen, sister. preach the good word!
>
>> I need to get laid or something......
>
>it's only through the grace of the deadlift and the constancy of my
>daily devotionals to it that i'm finally starting to feel like i'm
>worthy of getting laid again.

We really need to start a cult.
The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."

lordy
May 23rd 04, 11:41 PM
elzinator > wrote in
:

> We really need to start a cult.
> The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
> With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
> Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."

Forgive me for I have sinned. I have worshipped the Goddess o'squat and
neglegted you o' D--dL-ft. As penance I purchased football(soccer) socks
but I still felt your displeasure as I came before you (cough cough)

Translation: been doing squats and my DL became much more sucky that usual.
Is this normal? I think it was partly shiity technique 'cause I wasnt
dropping my arse low enough at the start. Not sure why...

Lordy

Pat Styles
May 23rd 04, 11:45 PM
"HIT Fanatic" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
> without a spotter.
>
> http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
> (Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
>
> Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
> foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat on
> the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.
>

u r stoopid
ps

elzinator
May 24th 04, 01:25 AM
On 23 May 2004 22:41:46 GMT, lordy wrote:
>elzinator > wrote in
:
>
>> We really need to start a cult.
>> The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
>> Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."
>
>Forgive me for I have sinned. I have worshipped the Goddess o'squat and
>neglegted you o' D--dL-ft. As penance I purchased football(soccer) socks
>but I still felt your displeasure as I came before you (cough cough)

Penance indeedy.
Still waiting to hear about the plastic bottle bar wraps. Too hot for
tall socks.

>Translation: been doing squats and my DL became much more sucky that usual.
>Is this normal? I think it was partly shiity technique 'cause I wasnt
>dropping my arse low enough at the start. Not sure why...

Most good DLers I've known use a low starting position, including
myself. I don't know if this is universal, however.

the other factor to consider is that DLing is very taxing. If you are
using max weights, you may not be able to squat and DL as frequently.
Many DL only every other week. When I was DLing heavy, I switched to
DLs every other week, using an accessory low back movement alternate
weeks. I did the same with Gary, too. During a heavy DL cycle, every
week would have burned out his nervous system and impair his recovery.
It was his strongest lift, so I wasn't worried about him losing in the
DL, whereas we had to focus on his squat and bench more.

Hugh Beyer
May 24th 04, 02:31 AM
elzinator > wrote in
:

>>Translation: been doing squats and my DL became much more sucky that
>>usual. Is this normal? I think it was partly shiity technique 'cause I
>>wasnt dropping my arse low enough at the start. Not sure why...
>
> Most good DLers I've known use a low starting position, including
> myself. I don't know if this is universal, however.
>

I read Pavel on deadlift form, and looking at myself on video later decided
that his emphasis on pushing the butt back led me to not drop it low enough.
Not blaming Pavel, but showing how over-emphasis on one aspect of technique
can lead to another fault.

Hugh


--
Help! My myofibrillar material is disorganized!

theCaldwell
May 24th 04, 12:40 PM
Pat Styles > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> "HIT Fanatic" > wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
> > without a spotter.
> >
> > http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
> > (Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
> >
> > Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
> > foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat
on
> > the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.
> >
>
> u r stoopid
> ps
>

what was that?

i couldn't hear you. i was dropping the bar after a set of foo-foo clean
and jerks

whit

>

Mick R.
May 24th 04, 08:21 PM
"elzinator" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:39:46 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >elzinator > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:59 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >> >HIT Fanatic > wrote:
>
> >> >all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
> >>
> >> And did you make your offering to the Deadlift alter today.
> >
> >indeed i did. two glorious sets. (plus upright rows! w00t!)
>
> Right on!
>
> >> And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
> >> to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
> >> plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
> >> power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
> >> that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
> >> exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
> >> floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
> >> your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?
> >
> >amen, sister. preach the good word!
> >
> >> I need to get laid or something......
> >
> >it's only through the grace of the deadlift and the constancy of my
> >daily devotionals to it that i'm finally starting to feel like i'm
> >worthy of getting laid again.
>
> We really need to start a cult.
> The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
> With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
> Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."
>
>
Does this mean that anyone caught doing curls with our Deadlift bars will
have their tongues cut out, entombed and eaten alive by scarabs?


--
Mick R.

Until you get pretty good at it, deadlifting is 90% half mental. - Wayne S.
Hill
>

elzinator
May 25th 04, 03:44 AM
On Tue, 25 May 2004 05:21:02 +1000, Mick R. wrote:
>
>"elzinator" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:39:46 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> >elzinator > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:59 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> >> >HIT Fanatic > wrote:
>>
>> >> >all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
>> >>
>> >> And did you make your offering to the Deadlift alter today.
>> >
>> >indeed i did. two glorious sets. (plus upright rows! w00t!)
>>
>> Right on!
>>
>> >> And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
>> >> to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
>> >> plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
>> >> power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
>> >> that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
>> >> exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
>> >> floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
>> >> your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?
>> >
>> >amen, sister. preach the good word!
>> >
>> >> I need to get laid or something......
>> >
>> >it's only through the grace of the deadlift and the constancy of my
>> >daily devotionals to it that i'm finally starting to feel like i'm
>> >worthy of getting laid again.
>>
>> We really need to start a cult.
>> The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
>> Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."
>>
>>
>Does this mean that anyone caught doing curls with our Deadlift bars will
>have their tongues cut out, entombed and eaten alive by scarabs?

We are in the New Age: we prefer them bar-b-q'ued.



--------------------------------------
In the end, what we regret the most is not taking chances.
"It is far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs,
even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor
spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in
the grey twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat."
- Theodore Roosevelt

elzinator
May 25th 04, 03:45 AM
On Mon, 24 May 2004 11:40:02 GMT, theCaldwell wrote:
>
>Pat Styles > wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> "HIT Fanatic" > wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
>> > without a spotter.
>> >
>> > http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
>> > (Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
>> >
>> > Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
>> > foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat
>on
>> > the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.
>> >
>>
>> u r stoopid
>> ps
>>
>
>what was that?
>
>i couldn't hear you. i was dropping the bar after a set of foo-foo clean
>and jerks

With kung foo white chalk, too.


--------------------------------------
In the end, what we regret the most is not taking chances.
"It is far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs,
even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor
spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in
the grey twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat."
- Theodore Roosevelt

Pat Styles
May 25th 04, 04:29 AM
"theCaldwell" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> Pat Styles > wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > "HIT Fanatic" > wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > The best, all-in-one exercise you can do with the barbell, home alone,
> > > without a spotter.
> > >
> > > http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBDeadlift.html
> > > (Watch the animated gif for 5 minutes straight for inspiration.)
> > >
> > > Compared to the deadlift, all other exercises (except for the squat) are
> > > foo-foo and a waste of time. You can use momentum and bad form to cheat
> on
> > > the other exercises, but the deadlift will always keep you honest.
> > >
> >
> > u r stoopid
> > ps
> >
>
> what was that?
>
> i couldn't hear you. i was dropping the bar after a set of foo-foo clean
> and jerks
>
> whit

What a wussy exercise.
ps

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 25th 04, 05:45 AM
elzinator > wrote:

> On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:39:46 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >elzinator > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:59 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >> >HIT Fanatic > wrote:
>
> >> >all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
> >>
> >> And did you make your offering to the Deadlift alter today.
> >
> >indeed i did. two glorious sets. (plus upright rows! w00t!)
>
> Right on!
>
> >> And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
> >> to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
> >> plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
> >> power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
> >> that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
> >> exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
> >> floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
> >> your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?
> >
> >amen, sister. preach the good word!
> >
> >> I need to get laid or something......
> >
> >it's only through the grace of the deadlift and the constancy of my
> >daily devotionals to it that i'm finally starting to feel like i'm
> >worthy of getting laid again.
>
> We really need to start a cult.
> The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
> With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
> Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."

i would so totally join that cult.

Dally
May 25th 04, 05:12 PM
Mick R. wrote:

> Does this mean that anyone caught doing curls with our Deadlift bars
will
> have their tongues cut out, entombed and eaten alive by scarabs?

Oh, pretty please?

Dally

Mick R.
May 25th 04, 09:37 PM
"Dally" > wrote in message
...
> Mick R. wrote:
>
> > Does this mean that anyone caught doing curls with our Deadlift bars
> will
> > have their tongues cut out, entombed and eaten alive by scarabs?
>
> Oh, pretty please?
>
> Dally
>

I always wanted to "accidentally" drop a 45 on curler's foot in "shock"
when I suddenly realise what they're doing. At least one of the trainers
agrees with me.


--
Mick R.

Until you get pretty good at it, deadlifting is 90% half mental. - Wayne S.
Hill

elzinator
May 26th 04, 02:58 AM
On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>elzinator > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:39:46 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> >elzinator > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:59 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> >> >HIT Fanatic > wrote:
>>
>> >> >all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
>> >>
>> >> And did you make your offering to the Deadlift alter today.
>> >
>> >indeed i did. two glorious sets. (plus upright rows! w00t!)
>>
>> Right on!
>>
>> >> And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
>> >> to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
>> >> plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
>> >> power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
>> >> that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
>> >> exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
>> >> floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
>> >> your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?
>> >
>> >amen, sister. preach the good word!
>> >
>> >> I need to get laid or something......
>> >
>> >it's only through the grace of the deadlift and the constancy of my
>> >daily devotionals to it that i'm finally starting to feel like i'm
>> >worthy of getting laid again.
>>
>> We really need to start a cult.
>> The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
>> Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."
>
>i would so totally join that cult.

We *could* do this....

It would make a great satire piece for a website.
(we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)


--------------------------------------
In the end, what we regret the most is not taking chances.
"It is far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs,
even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor
spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in
the grey twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat."
- Theodore Roosevelt

Dally
May 26th 04, 03:16 AM
elzinator wrote:

> On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
>>elzinator > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:39:46 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>
>>>>elzinator > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:59 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>HIT Fanatic > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
>>>>>
>>>>>And did you make your offering to the Deadlift alter today.
>>>>
>>>>indeed i did. two glorious sets. (plus upright rows! w00t!)
>>>
>>>Right on!
>>>
>>>
>>>>>And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
>>>>>to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
>>>>>plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
>>>>>power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
>>>>>that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
>>>>>exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
>>>>>floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
>>>>>your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?
>>>>
>>>>amen, sister. preach the good word!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I need to get laid or something......
>>>>
>>>>it's only through the grace of the deadlift and the constancy of my
>>>>daily devotionals to it that i'm finally starting to feel like i'm
>>>>worthy of getting laid again.
>>>
>>>We really need to start a cult.
>>>The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>>>With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
>>>Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."
>>
>>i would so totally join that cult.
>
>
> We *could* do this....
>
> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)

I'm in. And I'm really relieved to hear you saying that squats suffer
when you work on deadlifting. I was feeling disloyal about backing off
my squats. Now I realize I can just alternate.

So make that part of the religion - we still get to worship the
Priestess of Squ'at, too. Or I'll be your first heretic.

Dally

Elzinator
May 26th 04, 01:45 PM
Dally > wrote in message >...

> I'm in. And I'm really relieved to hear you saying that squats suffer
> when you work on deadlifting. I was feeling disloyal about backing off
> my squats. Now I realize I can just alternate.

You need to reread my post more closely. I said that *maximal*
deadlifting every week can be taxing and impair recovery. Coupled with
*maximal* squatting on a weekly basis can lead to overtraining.

When Gary was squatting 400-500 lbs and pulling nearly 600 pounds off
the floor, it was overload. We backed off to alternate week DLs. When
I was deadlifting over 250 lbs and trying to squat near 175, I
switched to alternate week DLing. (my squat has always sucked) That's
a far cry from someone who just learned to deadlift. I'm deadlifting
twice/week because they are so sub-maximal, but that is not the reason
for my current squat suckage (which sucked before returning to DLing).
It's because of my ****ed up pelvis/back and biomechanics that my
squat sucks, not the DL.

DLing every other week for you actually may impair motor pattern
imprinting, since you are still learning how to dealift.

One of the rules in The Book of the Deadlift is that selective reading
and comprehension is a sin.

Dally
May 26th 04, 01:53 PM
Elzinator wrote:

> Dally > wrote in message >...
>
>
>>I'm in. And I'm really relieved to hear you saying that squats suffer
>>when you work on deadlifting. I was feeling disloyal about backing off
>>my squats. Now I realize I can just alternate.
>
>
> You need to reread my post more closely. I said that *maximal*
> deadlifting every week can be taxing and impair recovery. Coupled with
> *maximal* squatting on a weekly basis can lead to overtraining.
>
> When Gary was squatting 400-500 lbs and pulling nearly 600 pounds off
> the floor, it was overload. We backed off to alternate week DLs. When
> I was deadlifting over 250 lbs and trying to squat near 175, I
> switched to alternate week DLing. (my squat has always sucked) That's
> a far cry from someone who just learned to deadlift. I'm deadlifting
> twice/week because they are so sub-maximal, but that is not the reason
> for my current squat suckage (which sucked before returning to DLing).
> It's because of my ****ed up pelvis/back and biomechanics that my
> squat sucks, not the DL.
>
> DLing every other week for you actually may impair motor pattern
> imprinting, since you are still learning how to dealift.
>
> One of the rules in The Book of the Deadlift is that selective reading
> and comprehension is a sin.

DOH!

But I'm seriously having a problem with my implementation of HST, where
I ramp up my poundage on all my lifts at the same time. I think I need
to make my workout plan MORE complicated (I didn't think that was
possible) and change where I am in the cycle for some lifts. I'm just
exhausted by having heavy deadlift days on the same days as heavy squats.

And I don't mean exhausted in a good way. I mean in a "my form is
sucking worse than usual because I'm wiped out" way.

Dally

elzinator
May 27th 04, 02:47 AM
On Wed, 26 May 2004 08:53:18 -0400, Dally wrote:
>Elzinator wrote:
>
>> Dally > wrote in message >...
>>
>>
>>>I'm in. And I'm really relieved to hear you saying that squats suffer
>>>when you work on deadlifting. I was feeling disloyal about backing off
>>>my squats. Now I realize I can just alternate.
>>
>>
>> You need to reread my post more closely. I said that *maximal*
>> deadlifting every week can be taxing and impair recovery. Coupled with
>> *maximal* squatting on a weekly basis can lead to overtraining.
>>
>> When Gary was squatting 400-500 lbs and pulling nearly 600 pounds off
>> the floor, it was overload. We backed off to alternate week DLs. When
>> I was deadlifting over 250 lbs and trying to squat near 175, I
>> switched to alternate week DLing. (my squat has always sucked) That's
>> a far cry from someone who just learned to deadlift. I'm deadlifting
>> twice/week because they are so sub-maximal, but that is not the reason
>> for my current squat suckage (which sucked before returning to DLing).
>> It's because of my ****ed up pelvis/back and biomechanics that my
>> squat sucks, not the DL.
>>
>> DLing every other week for you actually may impair motor pattern
>> imprinting, since you are still learning how to dealift.
>>
>> One of the rules in The Book of the Deadlift is that selective reading
>> and comprehension is a sin.
>
>DOH!
>
>But I'm seriously having a problem with my implementation of HST, where
>I ramp up my poundage on all my lifts at the same time. I think I need
>to make my workout plan MORE complicated (I didn't think that was
>possible) and change where I am in the cycle for some lifts. I'm just
>exhausted by having heavy deadlift days on the same days as heavy squats.
>
>And I don't mean exhausted in a good way. I mean in a "my form is
>sucking worse than usual because I'm wiped out" way.

Then alter your program so that squats and deads are not in the same
workout.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 27th 04, 02:51 AM
elzinator > wrote:

> On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >elzinator > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:39:46 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >> >elzinator > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:59 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >> >> >HIT Fanatic > wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >all hail the deadlift, for it hace grateness!!!1!
> >> >>
> >> >> And did you make your offering to the Deadlift alter today.
> >> >
> >> >indeed i did. two glorious sets. (plus upright rows! w00t!)
> >>
> >> Right on!
> >>
> >> >> And verily I say, when you place your feet, squat down, ready yourself
> >> >> to the sacrifice and lay your hands upon the bar, do you hear the
> >> >> plates sing to you, beckoning, calling you to rise? Do you feel the
> >> >> power when you push against the floor with your feet and legs, hold
> >> >> that bar with your hands and traps? Does your spirit exaultingly
> >> >> exhale when your back and legs unite to lift that weight off the
> >> >> floor? And when you stand erect, with shoulders back, bar against
> >> >> your thighs, do you feel that power emanating through you?
> >> >
> >> >amen, sister. preach the good word!
> >> >
> >> >> I need to get laid or something......
> >> >
> >> >it's only through the grace of the deadlift and the constancy of my
> >> >daily devotionals to it that i'm finally starting to feel like i'm
> >> >worthy of getting laid again.
> >>
> >> We really need to start a cult.
> >> The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
> >> With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
> >> Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."
> >
> >i would so totally join that cult.
>
> We *could* do this....
>
> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)

my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
lend a hand. got any ideas?

elzinator
May 27th 04, 03:31 AM
On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>elzinator > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> >elzinator > wrote:

>> >> We really need to start a cult.
>> >> The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>> >> With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
>> >> Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."
>> >
>> >i would so totally join that cult.
>>
>> We *could* do this....
>>
>> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
>> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
>
>my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
>designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
>lend a hand. got any ideas?

Um, I better respond tomorrow. I have these images in my head, but
they're not for little children to see.........


"I am the monster." - Riddick

Ben D
May 27th 04, 06:08 AM
elzinator wrote:

> On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
>>elzinator > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>
>>>>elzinator > wrote:
>
>
>>>>>We really need to start a cult.
>>>>>The Queen of Legion needs priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>>>>>With Iron Maidens as acolytes.
>>>>>Our bible will be "The Book of the Deadlift."
>>>>
>>>>i would so totally join that cult.
>>>
>>>We *could* do this....
>>>
>>>It would make a great satire piece for a website.
>>>(we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
>>
>>my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
>>designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
>>lend a hand. got any ideas?
>
>
> Um, I better respond tomorrow. I have these images in my head, but
> they're not for little children to see.........
>

Is this gonna be one of those amazon/chick/we eat men sort of things? If
so can I be your first sacrifice and will I like it?


>
> "I am the monster." - Riddick

That sig is soooo cool. And by cool, I mean totally sweet! -Real
Ultimate Power

Ben

Dally
May 27th 04, 05:27 PM
Ben D wrote:
> elzinator wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>>> elzinator > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> elzinator > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> We really need to start a cult. The Queen of Legion needs
>>>>>> priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>>>>>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes. Our bible will be "The Book of the
>>>>>> Deadlift."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i would so totally join that cult.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We *could* do this....
>>>>
>>>> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
>>>> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
>>>
>>>
>>> my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
>>> designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
>>> lend a hand. got any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>> Um, I better respond tomorrow. I have these images in my head, but
>> they're not for little children to see.........
>>
>
> Is this gonna be one of those amazon/chick/we eat men sort of things? If
> so can I be your first sacrifice and will I like it?

I vote "no" on man-hating. I also vote "no" on man-persuing. In fact,
I vote that we leave men out of it. Either that or think of them as
something like benign mascots. They're cute, but you don't actually do
anything with them.

In this cult, anyway.

Dally, with my two cents

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 27th 04, 09:34 PM
Dally > wrote:

> Ben D wrote:
> > elzinator wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>
> >>> elzinator > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> elzinator > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>> We really need to start a cult. The Queen of Legion needs
> >>>>>> priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
> >>>>>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes. Our bible will be "The Book of the
> >>>>>> Deadlift."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i would so totally join that cult.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> We *could* do this....
> >>>>
> >>>> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
> >>>> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
> >>> designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
> >>> lend a hand. got any ideas?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Um, I better respond tomorrow. I have these images in my head, but
> >> they're not for little children to see.........
> >>
> >
> > Is this gonna be one of those amazon/chick/we eat men sort of things? If
> > so can I be your first sacrifice and will I like it?
>
> I vote "no" on man-hating.

who said anything about man-hating?

> I also vote "no" on man-persuing.

i vote that you go stick your head in a toilet.

> In fact, I vote that we leave men out of it.

why? men don't deadlift? men don't worship?

> Either that or think of them as something like benign mascots. They're
> cute, but you don't actually do anything with them.

did i mention that thing about sticking your head in a toilet?

> In this cult, anyway.

i think you're missing the whole point of the cult.

Ben D
May 27th 04, 11:32 PM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> Dally > wrote:
>
>
>>Ben D wrote:
>>
>>>elzinator wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>elzinator > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>elzinator > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>We really need to start a cult. The Queen of Legion needs
>>>>>>>>priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>>>>>>>>With Iron Maidens as acolytes. Our bible will be "The Book of the
>>>>>>>>Deadlift."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i would so totally join that cult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We *could* do this....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It would make a great satire piece for a website.
>>>>>>(we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
>>>>>designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
>>>>>lend a hand. got any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Um, I better respond tomorrow. I have these images in my head, but
>>>>they're not for little children to see.........
>>>>
>>>
>>>Is this gonna be one of those amazon/chick/we eat men sort of things? If
>>>so can I be your first sacrifice and will I like it?
>>
>>I vote "no" on man-hating.
>
>
> who said anything about man-hating?
>

That would have been me... but I just wanted to get... well, more below...

>
>>I also vote "no" on man-persuing.
>
>
> i vote that you go stick your head in a toilet.
>

That's kind of harsh.

>
>>In fact, I vote that we leave men out of it.
>
>
> why? men don't deadlift? men don't worship?
>

Not the deadlift per se, just the cult of female deadlift worshipers.

>
>>Either that or think of them as something like benign mascots. They're
>>cute, but you don't actually do anything with them.
>
>
> did i mention that thing about sticking your head in a toilet?
>

*chuckles* Like men do you? Convenient because, well... never mind...

>
>>In this cult, anyway.
>
>
> i think you're missing the whole point of the cult.

Look, it just seemed a very female centered discussion and I was
wondering, you know, if I would enjoy getting sacrificed. Lets not
internal struggles tear this cult apart before we can all commit mass
suicide.

Ben

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 28th 04, 01:23 AM
Ben D > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> > Dally > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Ben D wrote:
> >>
> >>>elzinator wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>elzinator > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>elzinator > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>We really need to start a cult. The Queen of Legion needs
> >>>>>>>>priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
> >>>>>>>>With Iron Maidens as acolytes. Our bible will be "The Book of the
> >>>>>>>>Deadlift."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>i would so totally join that cult.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>We *could* do this....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It would make a great satire piece for a website.
> >>>>>>(we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
> >>>>>designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
> >>>>>lend a hand. got any ideas?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Um, I better respond tomorrow. I have these images in my head, but
> >>>>they're not for little children to see.........
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Is this gonna be one of those amazon/chick/we eat men sort of things? If
> >>>so can I be your first sacrifice and will I like it?
> >>
> >>I vote "no" on man-hating.
> >
> >
> > who said anything about man-hating?
> >
>
> That would have been me... but I just wanted to get... well, more below...

you wrote "we eat men" not "we hate men."

> >>I also vote "no" on man-persuing.
> >
> >
> > i vote that you go stick your head in a toilet.
> >
>
> That's kind of harsh.

Dally's kind of a dingbat.

> >>In fact, I vote that we leave men out of it.
> >
> >
> > why? men don't deadlift? men don't worship?
> >
>
> Not the deadlift per se, just the cult of female deadlift worshipers.

i wasn't aware that the cult was only open to females. in fact, i
wasn't even aware that the cult was anything except an amusing concept
at this point.

> >>Either that or think of them as something like benign mascots. They're
> >>cute, but you don't actually do anything with them.
> >
> >
> > did i mention that thing about sticking your head in a toilet?
> >
>
> *chuckles* Like men do you? Convenient because, well... never mind...

what's really bugging you, Ben? nothing i wrote in that post was
directed at you, or had anything to do with you.

> >>In this cult, anyway.
> >
> >
> > i think you're missing the whole point of the cult.
>
> Look, it just seemed a very female centered discussion and I was
> wondering, you know, if I would enjoy getting sacrificed. Lets not
> internal struggles tear this cult apart before we can all commit mass
> suicide.

i think you need to relax. or, at the very least re-read my post with
SARCASTIC MOTHER****ING OVERTONES.

jesus wept.

elzinator
May 28th 04, 02:17 AM
On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:27:35 -0400, Dally wrote:
>Ben D wrote:
>> elzinator wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>
>>>> elzinator > wrote:

>>>>>>> We really need to start a cult. The Queen of Legion needs
>>>>>>> priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>>>>>>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes. Our bible will be "The Book of the
>>>>>>> Deadlift."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i would so totally join that cult.
>>>>>
>>>>> We *could* do this....
>>>>>
>>>>> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
>>>>> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
>>>>
>>>> my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
>>>> designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
>>>> lend a hand. got any ideas?

One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type maiden in
loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra holding the end of
an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end resting on the ground) and a
bumper plate in the other. A hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress'
and 'Magdalena'.

The Huntress:
http://www.die-einherjar.de/volume2/frank_frazetta_thehuntress.jpg

Magdalena: standing
http://yade.de/content_website/gallery/24.htm (painting on a wall,
very cool)

Crouched:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/raine.maattanen/gurps/ (on the right of the
page)
(over a loaded DL bar; that would work, too)

I draw my inspiration from comic book art and my collection of female
heroines/warriors. :)

(The Spawn collection is by far the best)


>I vote "no" on man-hating.

Um, who said anything about 'man-hating'?
Selective reading again?
You are sinning alot lately.

> I also vote "no" on man-persuing. I vote that we leave men out of it.

Men are not excluded. Maybe you should find your lesbian friends
again.

> In fact, Either that or think of them as
>something like benign mascots. They're cute, but you don't actually do
>anything with them.
>
>In this cult, anyway.

You might want to look elsewhere.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

elzinator
May 28th 04, 02:18 AM
On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:34:38 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>Dally > wrote:
>
>> Ben D wrote:
>> > elzinator wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> elzinator > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> elzinator > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>>> We really need to start a cult. The Queen of Legion needs
>> >>>>>> priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>> >>>>>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes. Our bible will be "The Book of the
>> >>>>>> Deadlift."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> i would so totally join that cult.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We *could* do this....
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
>> >>>> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
>> >>> designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
>> >>> lend a hand. got any ideas?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Um, I better respond tomorrow. I have these images in my head, but
>> >> they're not for little children to see.........
>> >>
>> >
>> > Is this gonna be one of those amazon/chick/we eat men sort of things? If
>> > so can I be your first sacrifice and will I like it?
>>
>> I vote "no" on man-hating.
>
>who said anything about man-hating?
>
>> I also vote "no" on man-persuing.
>
>i vote that you go stick your head in a toilet.
>
>> In fact, I vote that we leave men out of it.
>
>why? men don't deadlift? men don't worship?
>
>> Either that or think of them as something like benign mascots. They're
>> cute, but you don't actually do anything with them.
>
>did i mention that thing about sticking your head in a toilet?
>
>> In this cult, anyway.
>
>i think you're missing the whole point of the cult.

I agree.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

Wayne S. Hill
May 28th 04, 02:26 AM
elzinator wrote:

> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.

Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
anyone else who can do it justice.

I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
imagine, these designs are very involved.

--
-Wayne

Dally
May 28th 04, 02:29 AM
elzinator wrote:
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:27:35 -0400, Dally wrote:

>>I vote "no" on man-hating.
>
> Um, who said anything about 'man-hating'?
> Selective reading again?
> You are sinning alot lately.

Ben asked if we were man-eating. I was prophylactively stating my
position. I chose to get the "man eating" part of it out of there to
avoid the requisisite MFW jokes.

It wasn't selective reading, it wasn't a direct answer, it was my vote.

>>I also vote "no" on man-persuing. I vote that we leave men out of it.
>
> Men are not excluded. Maybe you should find your lesbian friends
> again.

See, I thought this was a chick cult. THERE'S my selective reading.
(It's a big usenet world, I do tend to skim a bit.)

>>In fact, Either that or think of them as
>>something like benign mascots. They're cute, but you don't actually do
>>anything with them.
>>
>>In this cult, anyway.
>
> You might want to look elsewhere.

That's the thing about cults... each one of them seems to have some fine
print that keeps me from agreeing 100%. At least I was fairly sure no
one would serve anything as high-glycemic as Kool-Aid in this one.

Oh, and Cans, I caught the dingbat comment. I was busy trying to figure
out how to get my head in a toilet WHILE maintaining decent deadlift
form. I figured I'd need a urinal, so there's a vote for at least
including a men's bathroom if not men. But ****-You, too, sweetie.
(Who-ever expected a cult of deadlifting women to be all sweet and
sorority-like, anyway?)

Dally

elzinator
May 28th 04, 03:11 AM
On Fri, 28 May 2004 00:23:18 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>Ben D > wrote:

>what's really bugging you, Ben? nothing i wrote in that post was
>directed at you, or had anything to do with you.
>
>> >>In this cult, anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> > i think you're missing the whole point of the cult.
>>
>> Look, it just seemed a very female centered discussion and I was
>> wondering, you know, if I would enjoy getting sacrificed. Lets not
>> internal struggles tear this cult apart before we can all commit mass
>> suicide.
>
>i think you need to relax. or, at the very least re-read my post with
>SARCASTIC MOTHER****ING OVERTONES.

I think he's confusing Dally's response as yours.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

elzinator
May 28th 04, 03:26 AM
On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>elzinator wrote:
>
>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>
>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>anyone else who can do it justice.
>
>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>imagine, these designs are very involved.

I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....

.....until now.

I'm a big Frazetta fan. Grew up with his book covers (and reading the
books they covered). One of his pieces is the wallpaper on my laptop.
My Dad still has the original editions of the paperback Conans, many
which Frazetta painted covers for. Frazetta roolz.

I have wanted to visit his 'museum' which is managed by his wife and
son, if I recall. In PA, right? It would be awesome to see the
originals.

Clayburn Moore, who lives here in Fort Worth, has been the closest
sculptor to recreate Frazetta pieces in 4D. I have a small version of
"The Princess" (8") on my living room table, but I'm really salivating
over the newly released "Death Dealer."

http://www.frankfrazetta.com/gallery/HTML/sculptures.html

I've seen the Silver Warrior Snow Globe. It's really cool.


I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)


"I am the monster." - Riddick

elzinator
May 28th 04, 03:28 AM
On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:29:17 -0400, Dally wrote:

>Oh, and Cans, I caught the dingbat comment. I was busy trying to figure
>out how to get my head in a toilet WHILE maintaining decent deadlift
>form. I figured I'd need a urinal, so there's a vote for at least
>including a men's bathroom if not men. But ****-You, too, sweetie.
>(Who-ever expected a cult of deadlifting women to be all sweet and
>sorority-like, anyway?)

Not me.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

Proton Soup
May 28th 04, 07:04 AM
On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:18:06 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:

>On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:34:38 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>Dally > wrote:
>>
>>> Ben D wrote:
>>> > elzinator wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> elzinator > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:45:13 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> elzinator > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> We really need to start a cult. The Queen of Legion needs
>>> >>>>>> priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>>> >>>>>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes. Our bible will be "The Book of the
>>> >>>>>> Deadlift."
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> i would so totally join that cult.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> We *could* do this....
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
>>> >>>> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
>>> >>> designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
>>> >>> lend a hand. got any ideas?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Um, I better respond tomorrow. I have these images in my head, but
>>> >> they're not for little children to see.........
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Is this gonna be one of those amazon/chick/we eat men sort of things? If
>>> > so can I be your first sacrifice and will I like it?
>>>
>>> I vote "no" on man-hating.
>>
>>who said anything about man-hating?
>>
>>> I also vote "no" on man-persuing.
>>
>>i vote that you go stick your head in a toilet.
>>
>>> In fact, I vote that we leave men out of it.
>>
>>why? men don't deadlift? men don't worship?
>>
>>> Either that or think of them as something like benign mascots. They're
>>> cute, but you don't actually do anything with them.
>>
>>did i mention that thing about sticking your head in a toilet?
>>
>>> In this cult, anyway.
>>
>>i think you're missing the whole point of the cult.
>
>I agree.

Speaking of cults, what flavor Kool-Aid will the deadlift priestess be
serving at the semi-annual Deadlift Revival in sunny central america?
If it's lime, then I won't be there.

-----------
Proton Soup

"Everyone has a purpose in life.
Perhaps yours is watching television."
- - David Letterman

Proton Soup
May 28th 04, 07:09 AM
On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:17:44 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:

>On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:27:35 -0400, Dally wrote:
>>Ben D wrote:
>>> elzinator wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> elzinator > wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> We really need to start a cult. The Queen of Legion needs
>>>>>>>> priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>>>>>>>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes. Our bible will be "The Book of the
>>>>>>>> Deadlift."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i would so totally join that cult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We *could* do this....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
>>>>>> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
>>>>>
>>>>> my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
>>>>> designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
>>>>> lend a hand. got any ideas?
>
>One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type maiden in
>loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra holding the end of
>an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end resting on the ground) and a
>bumper plate in the other. A hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress'
>and 'Magdalena'.
>
>The Huntress:
>http://www.die-einherjar.de/volume2/frank_frazetta_thehuntress.jpg

Huntress babe must be bagging her limit. She's got a healthy amount
of adipose tissue. Not that I disapprove, btw, just doesn't look like
an image I thought you would pick.

-----------
Proton Soup

"Everyone has a purpose in life.
Perhaps yours is watching television."
- - David Letterman

Proton Soup
May 28th 04, 07:11 AM
On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:

>
>On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>>elzinator wrote:
>>
>>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>>
>>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>>anyone else who can do it justice.
>>
>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>
>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>
>....until now.

Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...

-----------
Proton Soup

"Everyone has a purpose in life.
Perhaps yours is watching television."
- - David Letterman

Ben D
May 28th 04, 07:37 AM
elzinator wrote:
> On Fri, 28 May 2004 00:23:18 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
>>Ben D > wrote:
>
>
>>what's really bugging you, Ben? nothing i wrote in that post was
>>directed at you, or had anything to do with you.
>>
>>
>>>>>In this cult, anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>i think you're missing the whole point of the cult.
>>>
>>>Look, it just seemed a very female centered discussion and I was
>>>wondering, you know, if I would enjoy getting sacrificed. Lets not
>>>internal struggles tear this cult apart before we can all commit mass
>>>suicide.
>>
>>i think you need to relax. or, at the very least re-read my post with
>>SARCASTIC MOTHER****ING OVERTONES.
>
>
> I think he's confusing Dally's response as yours.
>

No...

But I think I was being as sarcasic as she was. It's only a cult...

Ben

>
> "I am the monster." - Riddick

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 28th 04, 01:43 PM
Proton Soup <> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
> >>elzinator wrote:
> >>
> >>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
> >>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
> >>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
> >>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
> >>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
> >>
> >>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
> >>anyone else who can do it justice.
> >>
> >>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
> >>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
> >>imagine, these designs are very involved.
> >
> >I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
> >
> >....until now.
>
> Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...

bull****. a properly done and well cared for tattoo can look great for
many, many years.

John HUDSON
May 28th 04, 02:42 PM
On Fri, 28 May 2004 12:43:22 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>Proton Soup <> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>> >>elzinator wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>> >>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>> >>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>> >>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>> >>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>> >>
>> >>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>> >>anyone else who can do it justice.
>> >>
>> >>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>> >>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>> >>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>> >
>> >I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>> >
>> >....until now.
>>
>> Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>
>bull****. a properly done and well cared for tattoo can look great for
>many, many years.

I double your "bull****"!!

Tattoos don't look nice on prison inmates, servicemen and others given
to this idiotic form of self-mutilation. They look even worse on
women, who immediately degrade themselves with such vulgar adornment!!

On a middle-aged women they look stupid and grotesque; on an old lady
they will look very undignified and sad!!

They may be 'fashionable' at the moment, but fashion is a capricious
and mercurial, and soon those that have scarred themselves for life
will look very dated, and will regret that they were ever silly enough
to disfigure themselves in such a way.....

However, have a nice weekend - I intend to!! ;o)

TFIF!!

Hugh Beyer
May 28th 04, 02:44 PM
elzinator > wrote in
:

> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type maiden in
> loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra holding the end of
> an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end resting on the ground) and a
> bumper plate in the other. A hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress'
> and 'Magdalena'.
>

Lose the bra.

Hugh, typing one-handed



--
Help! My myofibrillar material is disorganized!

DRS
May 28th 04, 06:06 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message


[...]

> bull****. a properly done and well cared for tattoo can look great
> for many, many years.

True. Just don't get one done on your tits. It'll stretch when you get old
and they sag.

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

Proton Soup
May 28th 04, 06:47 PM
On Fri, 28 May 2004 12:43:22 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>Proton Soup <> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>> >>elzinator wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>> >>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>> >>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>> >>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>> >>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>> >>
>> >>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>> >>anyone else who can do it justice.
>> >>
>> >>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>> >>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>> >>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>> >
>> >I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>> >
>> >....until now.
>>
>> Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>
>bull****. a properly done and well cared for tattoo can look great for
>many, many years.

Feh, eye of the beholder I guess.

-----------
Proton Soup

"Everyone has a purpose in life.
Perhaps yours is watching television."
- - David Letterman

Dr. Dickie
May 28th 04, 10:29 PM
On Sun, 23 May 2004 11:15:24 -0400, Me
> wrote:

>Dr. Dickie wrote:
>
>> Ahh yes. I remember the Queen from the Great Troll invasion of AHM of
>> 1998, or was that 1997? Truly some hilarious material that battle was.
>
>It was hilarious. The trolls turned the place into what can only be
>described as a scene from the movie "Gremlins"... I mean awe inspiring
>chaos, LOL. The hackers "outed" a good many of the trolls, hacked their
>news server a couple of times,... even busted a few of their personal
>machines. Was great fun regardless of which "side" you were on. Some of
>the hackers were playing both sides just trying to keep it stirred up
>because it was such fun, LOL.

I guess that was why there some really gifted trolls (the hackers
playing both sides---not that I really ever saw a side, just
exchanges). Not really gifted in art of invoking anger (as an
undercover troll will do), but some classic hilarious material. Only
thing that was better entertainment was Earl Curly in his prime (a bit
earlier, but he was the master kook).

Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
====================================
"Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream"
Wallace Stevens-1923
=====================================

elzinator
May 29th 04, 05:07 AM
On Fri, 28 May 2004 06:09:49 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:17:44 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:27:35 -0400, Dally wrote:
>>>Ben D wrote:
>>>> elzinator wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> elzinator > wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> We really need to start a cult. The Queen of Legion needs
>>>>>>>>> priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
>>>>>>>>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes. Our bible will be "The Book of the
>>>>>>>>> Deadlift."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i would so totally join that cult.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We *could* do this....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
>>>>>>> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
>>>>>> designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
>>>>>> lend a hand. got any ideas?
>>
>>One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type maiden in
>>loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra holding the end of
>>an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end resting on the ground) and a
>>bumper plate in the other. A hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress'
>>and 'Magdalena'.
>>
>>The Huntress:
>>http://www.die-einherjar.de/volume2/frank_frazetta_thehuntress.jpg
>
>Huntress babe must be bagging her limit. She's got a healthy amount
>of adipose tissue. Not that I disapprove, btw, just doesn't look like
>an image I thought you would pick.

Frazetta tends to portray his females as voluptuous, but also very
exotic and sensual. It adds to their female mystique and power. I
don't find that a hinderance in appreciation of his art.

One of the most sexiest women I know is not by any means slender, but
she is strong, confident and has a 2nd degree black belt, preparing
for her 3rd. She moves like a big cat and can kick anyone's ass
(literally). She'd make a great Frazetta model.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

elzinator
May 29th 04, 05:13 AM
On Fri, 28 May 2004 06:11:51 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>
>>
>>On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>>>elzinator wrote:
>>>
>>>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>>>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>>>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>>>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>>>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>>>
>>>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>>>anyone else who can do it justice.
>>>
>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>
>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>
>>....until now.
>
>Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...

"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I
don't have to." - Albert Einstein


"I am the monster." - Riddick

elzinator
May 29th 04, 05:14 AM
On Fri, 28 May 2004 13:44:34 GMT, Hugh Beyer wrote:
>elzinator > wrote in
:
>
>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type maiden in
>> loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra holding the end of
>> an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end resting on the ground) and a
>> bumper plate in the other. A hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress'
>> and 'Magdalena'.
>>
>
>Lose the bra.
>
> Hugh, typing one-handed


:)






"I am the monster." - Riddick

elzinator
May 29th 04, 05:16 AM
On Fri, 28 May 2004 06:04:43 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:

>Speaking of cults, what flavor Kool-Aid will the deadlift priestess be
>serving at the semi-annual Deadlift Revival in sunny central america?
>If it's lime, then I won't be there.

Kool-aid? I'd rather have coffee in any form.

Also, a suggestion tonight was the "Deadlift Prom"


"I am the monster." - Riddick

Proton Soup
May 29th 04, 05:16 AM
On Fri, 28 May 2004 23:13:03 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 May 2004 06:11:51 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>>On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>>>>elzinator wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>>>>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>>>>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>>>>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>>>>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>>>>
>>>>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>>>>anyone else who can do it justice.
>>>>
>>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>>
>>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>>
>>>....until now.
>>
>>Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>
>"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I
>don't have to." - Albert Einstein

:) My grandma got to where she didn't care who was around when she
got the urge to fart.



-----------
Proton Soup

"Everyone has a purpose in life.
Perhaps yours is watching television."
- - David Letterman

elzinator
May 29th 04, 05:19 AM
On Fri, 28 May 2004 01:37:49 -0500, Ben D wrote:
>elzinator wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 May 2004 00:23:18 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>>>Ben D > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>what's really bugging you, Ben? nothing i wrote in that post was
>>>directed at you, or had anything to do with you.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>In this cult, anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>i think you're missing the whole point of the cult.
>>>>
>>>>Look, it just seemed a very female centered discussion and I was
>>>>wondering, you know, if I would enjoy getting sacrificed. Lets not
>>>>internal struggles tear this cult apart before we can all commit mass
>>>>suicide.
>>>
>>>i think you need to relax. or, at the very least re-read my post with
>>>SARCASTIC MOTHER****ING OVERTONES.
>>
>>
>> I think he's confusing Dally's response as yours.
>>
>
>No...
>
>But I think I was being as sarcasic as she was. It's only a cult...

It's a parody of a cult. Sarcasm is encouraged.

Another suggestion tonight was the antithesis of The Deadlift cult. A
strong contender was "The Pilates Police"

We need suggestions for location of cult headquarters, and no, Waco's
already been done.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

elzinator
May 29th 04, 06:10 AM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 04:16:14 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>On Fri, 28 May 2004 23:13:03 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 May 2004 06:11:51 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>>>>>elzinator wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>>>>>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>>>>>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>>>>>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>>>>>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>>>>>anyone else who can do it justice.
>>>>>
>>>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>>>
>>>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>>>
>>>>....until now.
>>>
>>>Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>>
>>"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I
>>don't have to." - Albert Einstein
>
> :) My grandma got to where she didn't care who was around when she
>got the urge to fart.

I burp but I'm not a Grandma. I guess that's what I have to look
forward to, aye?

(don't want to be a Grandma either)



"I am the monster." - Riddick

Proton Soup
May 29th 04, 06:21 AM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 00:10:30 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:

>>>>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>>>>
>>>>>....until now.
>>>>
>>>>Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>>>
>>>"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I
>>>don't have to." - Albert Einstein
>>
>> :) My grandma got to where she didn't care who was around when she
>>got the urge to fart.
>
>I burp but I'm not a Grandma. I guess that's what I have to look
>forward to, aye?
>
>(don't want to be a Grandma either)

Well yeah, I don't want to get old either, but do you want
grandchildren?

-----------
Proton Soup

"Everyone has a purpose in life.
Perhaps yours is watching television."
- - David Letterman

Ben D
May 29th 04, 06:29 AM
elzinator wrote:
> On Fri, 28 May 2004 01:37:49 -0500, Ben D wrote:
>
>>elzinator wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 May 2004 00:23:18 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ben D > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>what's really bugging you, Ben? nothing i wrote in that post was
>>>>directed at you, or had anything to do with you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>In this cult, anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>i think you're missing the whole point of the cult.
>>>>>
>>>>>Look, it just seemed a very female centered discussion and I was
>>>>>wondering, you know, if I would enjoy getting sacrificed. Lets not
>>>>>internal struggles tear this cult apart before we can all commit mass
>>>>>suicide.
>>>>
>>>>i think you need to relax. or, at the very least re-read my post with
>>>>SARCASTIC MOTHER****ING OVERTONES.
>>>
>>>
>>>I think he's confusing Dally's response as yours.
>>>
>>
>>No...
>>
>>But I think I was being as sarcasic as she was. It's only a cult...
>
>
> It's a parody of a cult. Sarcasm is encouraged.
>
> Another suggestion tonight was the antithesis of The Deadlift cult. A
> strong contender was "The Pilates Police"
>
> We need suggestions for location of cult headquarters, and no, Waco's
> already been done.
>

Well, I was going to select any location in Texas, but Texas is kind of
a cult in and of itself, isn't it? :) <---- (The smiley means sarcasm,
just so I don't get in trouble again)

There's always Vegas, as good a place for a cult as any.

Of course, I'd like to have the cult close to home, so the upper midwest
may work well.

How about Canada... why should Keith, the sage master of the deadlift
cult, be left out?

Just some thoughts.

Ben

>
> "I am the monster." - Riddick

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 29th 04, 06:50 AM
John HUDSON > wrote:

> On Fri, 28 May 2004 12:43:22 GMT, (The Queen of
> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> >Proton Soup <> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
> >> >>elzinator wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
> >> >>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
> >> >>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
> >> >>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
> >> >>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
> >> >>
> >> >>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
> >> >>anyone else who can do it justice.
> >> >>
> >> >>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
> >> >>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
> >> >>imagine, these designs are very involved.
> >> >
> >> >I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
> >> >
> >> >....until now.
> >>
> >> Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
> >
> >bull****. a properly done and well cared for tattoo can look great for
> >many, many years.
>
> I double your "bull****"!!
>
> Tattoos don't look nice on prison inmates, servicemen and others given
> to this idiotic form of self-mutilation. They look even worse on
> women, who immediately degrade themselves with such vulgar adornment!!

you're an idiot.

John HUDSON
May 29th 04, 07:00 AM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 04:16:14 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 May 2004 23:13:03 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 May 2004 06:11:51 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>>>>>elzinator wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>>>>>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>>>>>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>>>>>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>>>>>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>>>>>anyone else who can do it justice.
>>>>>
>>>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>>>
>>>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>>>
>>>>....until now.
>>>
>>>Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>>
>>"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I
>>don't have to." - Albert Einstein
>
> :) My grandma got to where she didn't care who was around when she
>got the urge to fart.

Now that's funny, and a very good riposte!! ;o)

HAGW!!

John HUDSON
May 29th 04, 07:21 AM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 05:50:40 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>John HUDSON > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 May 2004 12:43:22 GMT, (The Queen of
>> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>>
>> >Proton Soup <> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>> >> >>elzinator wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>> >> >>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>> >> >>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>> >> >>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>> >> >>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>> >> >>anyone else who can do it justice.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>> >> >>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>> >> >>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>> >> >
>> >> >I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>> >> >
>> >> >....until now.
>> >>
>> >> Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>> >
>> >bull****. a properly done and well cared for tattoo can look great for
>> >many, many years.
>>
>> I double your "bull****"!!
>>
>> Tattoos don't look nice on prison inmates, servicemen and others given
>> to this idiotic form of self-mutilation. They look even worse on
>> women, who immediately degrade themselves with such vulgar adornment!!
>
>you're an idiot.

What kind of 'selectively snipped' ad hominem response is that
QoC&J's?

My criticism of your views on self-mutilation was quite valid comment;
just because you can't think of anything coherent with which to
counter, doesn't lend credence to your rude stereotypical and cliched
response!!

Do try and be a little more constructive darling!! ;o)

And try and calm down and have a great weekend - I am (having a great
weekend that is!!). ;o)

DRS
May 29th 04, 11:52 AM
"Ben D" > wrote in message

> elzinator wrote:

[...]

>> It's a parody of a cult. Sarcasm is encouraged.
>>
>> Another suggestion tonight was the antithesis of The Deadlift cult. A
>> strong contender was "The Pilates Police"
>>
>> We need suggestions for location of cult headquarters, and no, Waco's
>> already been done.
>
> Well, I was going to select any location in Texas, but Texas is kind
> of a cult in and of itself, isn't it? :) <---- (The smiley means
> sarcasm, just so I don't get in trouble again)
>
> There's always Vegas, as good a place for a cult as any.
>
> Of course, I'd like to have the cult close to home, so the upper
> midwest may work well.
>
> How about Canada... why should Keith, the sage master of the deadlift
> cult, be left out?
>
> Just some thoughts.

Seattle. It's already home to Microsoft and Starbucks - two of the most
loathsome cults in history.

--

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Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

DRS
May 29th 04, 11:54 AM
<Proton Soup> wrote in message
s.com
> On Fri, 28 May 2004 23:13:03 -0500, elzinator
> > wrote:

[...]

>> "I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I
>> don't have to." - Albert Einstein
>
> :) My grandma got to where she didn't care who was around when she
> got the urge to fart.

It's worse when they get to where they don't care who is around when they
piddle.

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elzinator
May 29th 04, 01:09 PM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 05:21:31 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>On Sat, 29 May 2004 00:10:30 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>>>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>>>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>....until now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>>>>
>>>>"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I
>>>>don't have to." - Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> :) My grandma got to where she didn't care who was around when she
>>>got the urge to fart.
>>
>>I burp but I'm not a Grandma. I guess that's what I have to look
>>forward to, aye?
>>
>>(don't want to be a Grandma either)
>
>Well yeah, I don't want to get old either, but do you want
>grandchildren?

Reread my comment.



"I am the monster." - Riddick

Proton Soup
May 29th 04, 03:05 PM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 07:09:10 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:

>On Sat, 29 May 2004 05:21:31 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>>On Sat, 29 May 2004 00:10:30 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>>>>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>>>>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>....until now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>>>>>
>>>>>"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I
>>>>>don't have to." - Albert Einstein
>>>>
>>>> :) My grandma got to where she didn't care who was around when she
>>>>got the urge to fart.
>>>
>>>I burp but I'm not a Grandma. I guess that's what I have to look
>>>forward to, aye?
>>>
>>>(don't want to be a Grandma either)
>>
>>Well yeah, I don't want to get old either, but do you want
>>grandchildren?
>
>Reread my comment.

Errr, let's see "I guess that's what I have to look forward to"
coupled with "don't want to be a Grandma" hints at an unplanned
Grandmacy on the way.

-----------
Proton Soup

"Everyone has a purpose in life.
Perhaps yours is watching television."
- - David Letterman

Proton Soup
May 29th 04, 03:10 PM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 05:50:40 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>John HUDSON > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 May 2004 12:43:22 GMT, (The Queen of
>> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>>
>> >Proton Soup <> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>> >> >>elzinator wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>> >> >>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>> >> >>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>> >> >>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>> >> >>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>> >> >>anyone else who can do it justice.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>> >> >>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>> >> >>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>> >> >
>> >> >I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>> >> >
>> >> >....until now.
>> >>
>> >> Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>> >
>> >bull****. a properly done and well cared for tattoo can look great for
>> >many, many years.
>>
>> I double your "bull****"!!
>>
>> Tattoos don't look nice on prison inmates, servicemen and others given
>> to this idiotic form of self-mutilation. They look even worse on
>> women, who immediately degrade themselves with such vulgar adornment!!
>
>you're an idiot.

Yep, and in so many ways. Nowadays, getting a tattoo is no longer a
symbol of rebellious youth or being a part of some counterculture.
It's mainstream. Not even an expression of individuality, usually.

-----------
Proton Soup

"Everyone has a purpose in life.
Perhaps yours is watching television."
- - David Letterman

elzinator
May 29th 04, 03:25 PM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 14:05:01 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>On Sat, 29 May 2004 07:09:10 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 29 May 2004 05:21:31 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 29 May 2004 00:10:30 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>>>>>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>>>>>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>....until now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I
>>>>>>don't have to." - Albert Einstein
>>>>>
>>>>> :) My grandma got to where she didn't care who was around when she
>>>>>got the urge to fart.
>>>>
>>>>I burp but I'm not a Grandma. I guess that's what I have to look
>>>>forward to, aye?
>>>>
>>>>(don't want to be a Grandma either)
>>>
>>>Well yeah, I don't want to get old either, but do you want
>>>grandchildren?
>>
>>Reread my comment.
>
>Errr, let's see "I guess that's what I have to look forward to"
>coupled with "don't want to be a Grandma" hints at an unplanned
>Grandmacy on the way.

No, it merely implies that the state of Grandma-ism is always a
possibility when one's offspring is a female, but neither my daughter
or I desire children in our lives.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

Proton Soup
May 29th 04, 03:27 PM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 09:25:44 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:

>On Sat, 29 May 2004 14:05:01 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>>On Sat, 29 May 2004 07:09:10 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 29 May 2004 05:21:31 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 29 May 2004 00:10:30 -0500, elzinator
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>>>>>>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>>>>>>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>....until now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I
>>>>>>>don't have to." - Albert Einstein
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :) My grandma got to where she didn't care who was around when she
>>>>>>got the urge to fart.
>>>>>
>>>>>I burp but I'm not a Grandma. I guess that's what I have to look
>>>>>forward to, aye?
>>>>>
>>>>>(don't want to be a Grandma either)
>>>>
>>>>Well yeah, I don't want to get old either, but do you want
>>>>grandchildren?
>>>
>>>Reread my comment.
>>
>>Errr, let's see "I guess that's what I have to look forward to"
>>coupled with "don't want to be a Grandma" hints at an unplanned
>>Grandmacy on the way.
>
>No, it merely implies that the state of Grandma-ism is always a
>possibility when one's offspring is a female, but neither my daughter
>or I desire children in our lives.

Nothing wrong with that. My mom really wants to be a Grandma, but
every day that looks less likely. She is kind enough, however, to not
mention it too often.

-----------
Proton Soup

"Everyone has a purpose in life.
Perhaps yours is watching television."
- - David Letterman

John HUDSON
May 29th 04, 04:13 PM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 14:10:04 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:

>On Sat, 29 May 2004 05:50:40 GMT, (The Queen of
>Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
>>John HUDSON > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 28 May 2004 12:43:22 GMT, (The Queen of
>>> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Proton Soup <> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>>> >> >>elzinator wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>>> >> >>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>>> >> >>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>>> >> >>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>>> >> >>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>>> >> >>anyone else who can do it justice.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>> >> >>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>> >> >>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>> >> >
>>> >> >....until now.
>>> >>
>>> >> Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
>>> >
>>> >bull****. a properly done and well cared for tattoo can look great for
>>> >many, many years.
>>>
>>> I double your "bull****"!!
>>>
>>> Tattoos don't look nice on prison inmates, servicemen and others given
>>> to this idiotic form of self-mutilation. They look even worse on
>>> women, who immediately degrade themselves with such vulgar adornment!!
>>
>>you're an idiot.
>
>Yep, and in so many ways.

That's just another ad hominem response PS; you don't know me from
Adam!! Such vague uninformed general comments are incapable of any
intelligent or sensible validation, and thus become merely juvenile
name calling!!

You're a ****!!

How's that for a similarly measured and thoughtful response?!! ;o)

> Nowadays, getting a tattoo is no longer a
>symbol of rebellious youth or being a part of some counterculture.
>It's mainstream. Not even an expression of individuality, usually.

You use the classic troll MO by selectively snipping any material I
submitted which supports my assertion; for example you left out this
important continuation:

"They may be 'fashionable' at the moment, but fashion is a capricious
and mercurial, and soon those that have scarred themselves for life
will look very dated, and will regret that they were ever silly enough
to disfigure themselves in such a way....."

That is a very valid and astute prophetic observation based on the
historic vagaries of fashion mores!!

Thou should remove thy head from thy rectum oh dopey one, and continue
ignoring me as promised, lest you make yourself look even more silly
than you already are:

http://www.fitnwell.net/upownass.jpg

I hope your weekend is plagued with a severe bout of diarrhoea, so
that you have much to entertain your sad self with!! ;o)

[I don't really, I'm just being synthetically unpleasant in response
to your repeated unprovoked and gratuitous rudeness. Try being nice
for a change, or alternatively, if you can't think of anything
pleasant to say, simply say nothing!! Have a nice weekend PS - I am!!
;o)]

The Queen of Cans and Jars
May 29th 04, 04:35 PM
Proton Soup <> wrote:

> On Sat, 29 May 2004 05:50:40 GMT, (The Queen of
> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> >John HUDSON > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 28 May 2004 12:43:22 GMT, (The Queen of
> >> Cans and Jars) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Proton Soup <> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:17 -0500, elzinator
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
> >> >> >>elzinator wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
> >> >> >>> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
> >> >> >>> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
> >> >> >>> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
> >> >> >>> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
> >> >> >>anyone else who can do it justice.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
> >> >> >>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
> >> >> >>imagine, these designs are very involved.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >....until now.
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't do it. It may look great now, but when you get old...
> >> >
> >> >bull****. a properly done and well cared for tattoo can look great for
> >> >many, many years.
> >>
> >> I double your "bull****"!!
> >>
> >> Tattoos don't look nice on prison inmates, servicemen and others given
> >> to this idiotic form of self-mutilation. They look even worse on
> >> women, who immediately degrade themselves with such vulgar adornment!!
> >
> >you're an idiot.
>
> Yep, and in so many ways. Nowadays, getting a tattoo is no longer a
> symbol of rebellious youth or being a part of some counterculture.
> It's mainstream. Not even an expression of individuality, usually.

maybe for some people.

not for me. not for lots of other people.

Adam Fahy
May 29th 04, 05:46 PM
John HUDSON wrote:

> That's just another ad hominem response PS; you don't know me from
> Adam!!

Leave me out of this.


-Adam

Dally
May 30th 04, 04:37 AM
DRS wrote:
> "Ben D" > wrote in message
>
>
>>elzinator wrote:
>
>>>We need suggestions for location of cult headquarters, and no, Waco's
>>>already been done.
>>
>>Well, I was going to select any location in Texas, but Texas is kind
>>of a cult in and of itself, isn't it? :) <---- (The smiley means
>>sarcasm, just so I don't get in trouble again)
>>
>>There's always Vegas, as good a place for a cult as any.
>>
>>Of course, I'd like to have the cult close to home, so the upper
>>midwest may work well.
>>
>>How about Canada... why should Keith, the sage master of the deadlift
>>cult, be left out?
>>
>>Just some thoughts.
>
> Seattle. It's already home to Microsoft and Starbucks - two of the most
> loathsome cults in history.

Northampton, MA! It has the advantage of being known for being
"empowering" to women... plus, I checked out "Northampton Athletic Club"
today, expecting frou frou ferns, etc. But they had a cybex power cage
that made me drool. And something next to it, I stared... could it be?
A deadlift platform! Holy cow, I'd never seen one before, but it
looked just like what I need. (I looked for a reverse hyper, nope, none.)

I got caught deadlifting 100 pounds today at my gym. The person
catching me knows I lift more, but I didn't have a platform or an oly
bar available and so used the pre-setup barbells racked on the wall.
100 pounds is the heaviest they had. It was enough to be not a rest
day. Anyway, it reminded me that I have to find another gym.

Here's a potential schism moment. My trainer was working on squats and
benches with me today. She thinks my bench looks good (about 65% of my
body weight as we begin training) and thinks my squat looks good, but
doesn't want to see me bother with squatting for competition. She also
was a bit annoyed that my squat is so low - she said I was hard to spot.
She didn't say to NOT go so low, just that I went lower than anyone
else she spots. (I took this as a compliment, but she seemed
indifferent to it.) The way she put it was that I should continue to
squat because it was good for my deadlifting, but that I should only
expect to find deadlift and benching at competitions.

Is this true? I still worship the Goddess of Squ'at. Must I choose
between my cults?

Dally

Team Caldwell
May 30th 04, 05:51 AM
"Dally" > wrote in message
...
> DRS wrote:
> > "Ben D" > wrote in message
> >
> >
> >>elzinator wrote:
> >
> >>>We need suggestions for location of cult headquarters, and no, Waco's
> >>>already been done.
> >>
> >>Well, I was going to select any location in Texas, but Texas is kind
> >>of a cult in and of itself, isn't it? :) <---- (The smiley means
> >>sarcasm, just so I don't get in trouble again)
> >>
> >>There's always Vegas, as good a place for a cult as any.
> >>
> >>Of course, I'd like to have the cult close to home, so the upper
> >>midwest may work well.
> >>
> >>How about Canada... why should Keith, the sage master of the deadlift
> >>cult, be left out?
> >>
> >>Just some thoughts.
> >
> > Seattle. It's already home to Microsoft and Starbucks - two of the most
> > loathsome cults in history.
>
> Northampton, MA! It has the advantage of being known for being
> "empowering" to women... plus, I checked out "Northampton Athletic Club"
> today, expecting frou frou ferns, etc. But they had a cybex power cage
> that made me drool. And something next to it, I stared... could it be?
> A deadlift platform! Holy cow, I'd never seen one before, but it
> looked just like what I need. (I looked for a reverse hyper, nope, none.)
>

and northampton Mass also has more far left nincompoops per square inch than
practically anywhere east of berkeley

whit

> I got caught deadlifting 100 pounds today at my gym. The person
> catching me knows I lift more, but I didn't have a platform or an oly
> bar available and so used the pre-setup barbells racked on the wall.
> 100 pounds is the heaviest they had. It was enough to be not a rest
> day. Anyway, it reminded me that I have to find another gym.
>
> Here's a potential schism moment. My trainer was working on squats and
> benches with me today. She thinks my bench looks good (about 65% of my
> body weight as we begin training) and thinks my squat looks good, but
> doesn't want to see me bother with squatting for competition. She also
> was a bit annoyed that my squat is so low - she said I was hard to spot.
> She didn't say to NOT go so low, just that I went lower than anyone
> else she spots. (I took this as a compliment, but she seemed
> indifferent to it.) The way she put it was that I should continue to
> squat because it was good for my deadlifting, but that I should only
> expect to find deadlift and benching at competitions.
>
> Is this true? I still worship the Goddess of Squ'at. Must I choose
> between my cults?
>
> Dally
>

elzinator
May 30th 04, 07:23 AM
On Sat, 29 May 2004 23:37:09 -0400, Dally wrote:
>DRS wrote:
>> "Ben D" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>elzinator wrote:
>>
>>>>We need suggestions for location of cult headquarters, and no, Waco's
>>>>already been done.
>>>
>>>Well, I was going to select any location in Texas, but Texas is kind
>>>of a cult in and of itself, isn't it? :) <---- (The smiley means
>>>sarcasm, just so I don't get in trouble again)
>>>
>>>There's always Vegas, as good a place for a cult as any.
>>>
>>>Of course, I'd like to have the cult close to home, so the upper
>>>midwest may work well.
>>>
>>>How about Canada... why should Keith, the sage master of the deadlift
>>>cult, be left out?
>>>
>>>Just some thoughts.
>>
>> Seattle. It's already home to Microsoft and Starbucks - two of the most
>> loathsome cults in history.
>
>Northampton, MA! It has the advantage of being known for being
>"empowering" to women...

Sheesh. Who needs a place that does that? Don't you have that within
yourself?

I have a better idea. Look, there's even a Welcome sign and Guardian
of the Deadlift Community.

http://www.moleculegirl.com/Renne%20Faire.htm

He's mine! so stay away.



"I am the monster." - Riddick

Dally
May 30th 04, 02:41 PM
Team Caldwell wrote:
> "Dally" > wrote in message
> ...

>>Northampton, MA! It has the advantage of being known for being
>>"empowering" to women... plus, I checked out "Northampton Athletic Club"
>>today, expecting frou frou ferns, etc. But they had a cybex power cage
>>that made me drool. And something next to it, I stared... could it be?
>> A deadlift platform! Holy cow, I'd never seen one before, but it
>>looked just like what I need. (I looked for a reverse hyper, nope, none.)
>>
> and northampton Mass also has more far left nincompoops per square inch than
> practically anywhere east of berkeley
>
> whit

You say this like it's a *bad* thing.

I went into this gym while I was in Northampton for a party. I had
jewelry on, my nails were done, I was dressed like a lady... but I
specifically asked at the desk if there was any powerlifting going on at
the gym. I figure every time a Lady indicates an interest in using an
oly bar it makes it less likely a frou frou gym will ditch the squat rack.

Dally

elzinator
May 30th 04, 07:43 PM
On Sun, 30 May 2004 01:23:07 -0500, elzinator wrote:
>On Sat, 29 May 2004 23:37:09 -0400, Dally wrote:
>>DRS wrote:
>>> "Ben D" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>>elzinator wrote:
>>>
>>>>>We need suggestions for location of cult headquarters, and no, Waco's
>>>>>already been done.
>>>>
>>>>Well, I was going to select any location in Texas, but Texas is kind
>>>>of a cult in and of itself, isn't it? :) <---- (The smiley means
>>>>sarcasm, just so I don't get in trouble again)
>>>>
>>>>There's always Vegas, as good a place for a cult as any.
>>>>
>>>>Of course, I'd like to have the cult close to home, so the upper
>>>>midwest may work well.
>>>>
>>>>How about Canada... why should Keith, the sage master of the deadlift
>>>>cult, be left out?
>>>>
>>>>Just some thoughts.
>>>
>>> Seattle. It's already home to Microsoft and Starbucks - two of the most
>>> loathsome cults in history.
>>
>>Northampton, MA! It has the advantage of being known for being
>>"empowering" to women...
>
>Sheesh. Who needs a place that does that? Don't you have that within
>yourself?
>
>I have a better idea. Look, there's even a Welcome sign and Guardian
>of the Deadlift Community.
>
>http://www.moleculegirl.com/Renne%20Faire.htm
>
>He's mine! so stay away.

Link repair: http://www.moleculegirl.com/Renne_Faire.htm


"I am the monster." - Riddick

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 1st 04, 02:04 PM
elzinator > wrote:

> On Fri, 28 May 2004 06:04:43 GMT, Proton Soup <> wrote:
>
> >Speaking of cults, what flavor Kool-Aid will the deadlift priestess be
> >serving at the semi-annual Deadlift Revival in sunny central america?
> >If it's lime, then I won't be there.
>
> Kool-aid? I'd rather have coffee in any form.

me too.

> Also, a suggestion tonight was the "Deadlift Prom"

i'm 36 years old and i've never been to a formal dance. perhaps the
Deadlift Prom will finally give me an excuse to wear a fancy dress with
my Dr. Martens!

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 1st 04, 02:04 PM
elzinator > wrote:

> On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:27:35 -0400, Dally wrote:
> >Ben D wrote:
> >> elzinator wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:51:58 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> elzinator > wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> We really need to start a cult. The Queen of Legion needs
> >>>>>>> priestesses for the Cult of the Deadlift.
> >>>>>>> With Iron Maidens as acolytes. Our bible will be "The Book of the
> >>>>>>> Deadlift."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i would so totally join that cult.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We *could* do this....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It would make a great satire piece for a website.
> >>>>> (we need a graphic artist to do a totem/logo)
> >>>>
> >>>> my best friend at work just happens to be (wait for it) a graphic
> >>>> designer. she's a soccer hoochie, not a weight lifter, but i bet she'd
> >>>> lend a hand. got any ideas?
>
> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type maiden in
> loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra holding the end of
> an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end resting on the ground) and a
> bumper plate in the other. A hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress'
> and 'Magdalena'.
>
> The Huntress:
> http://www.die-einherjar.de/volume2/frank_frazetta_thehuntress.jpg
>
> Magdalena: standing
> http://yade.de/content_website/gallery/24.htm (painting on a wall,
> very cool)
>
> Crouched:
> http://www.kolumbus.fi/raine.maattanen/gurps/ (on the right of the
> page)
> (over a loaded DL bar; that would work, too)
>
> I draw my inspiration from comic book art and my collection of female
> heroines/warriors. :)
>
> (The Spawn collection is by far the best)

i've emailed the links to myself at work, and i'll pass them on to my
friend shortly. i think she has to rework our catalog this week, but
i'll see what she can come up with. she's pretty generous about sharing
her skills, and i think i'm the only person there who hasn't yet asked
her to do a side project (although she did give me titles for all the
photographs in my artist's book).

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 1st 04, 02:04 PM
elzinator > wrote:

> On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
> >elzinator wrote:
> >
> >> One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
> >> maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
> >> holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
> >> resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
> >> hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
> >
> >Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
> >anyone else who can do it justice.
> >
> >I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
> >Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
> >imagine, these designs are very involved.
>
> I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>
> ....until now.
>
> I'm a big Frazetta fan. Grew up with his book covers (and reading the
> books they covered). One of his pieces is the wallpaper on my laptop.
> My Dad still has the original editions of the paperback Conans, many
> which Frazetta painted covers for. Frazetta roolz.
>
> I have wanted to visit his 'museum' which is managed by his wife and
> son, if I recall. In PA, right? It would be awesome to see the
> originals.
>
> Clayburn Moore, who lives here in Fort Worth, has been the closest
> sculptor to recreate Frazetta pieces in 4D. I have a small version of
> "The Princess" (8") on my living room table, but I'm really salivating
> over the newly released "Death Dealer."
>
> http://www.frankfrazetta.com/gallery/HTML/sculptures.html
>
> I've seen the Silver Warrior Snow Globe. It's really cool.
>
>
> I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)

i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.

i had two tattoos until this past weekend; now i only have one. i had
to get rid of one because i couldn't stand it any longer (see
http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1480696 for details) and
now that i'm rid of it, i can finally move forward with others that i
want to get. i'm working on designs for two small pieces and one large
one (the large one will incorporate the existing tattoo on my back).

the designs i'm working from are here, if anyone is interested in seeing
them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 1st 04, 02:04 PM
DRS > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]
>
> > bull****. a properly done and well cared for tattoo can look great
> > for many, many years.
>
> True. Just don't get one done on your tits. It'll stretch when you get old
> and they sag.

word.

Ben D
June 1st 04, 05:22 PM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> elzinator > wrote:
>
>
>>On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>>
>>>elzinator wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>>>>maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>>>>holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>>>>resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>>>>hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>>>
>>>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>>>anyone else who can do it justice.
>>>
>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>
>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>
>>....until now.
>>
>>I'm a big Frazetta fan. Grew up with his book covers (and reading the
>>books they covered). One of his pieces is the wallpaper on my laptop.
>>My Dad still has the original editions of the paperback Conans, many
>>which Frazetta painted covers for. Frazetta roolz.
>>
>>I have wanted to visit his 'museum' which is managed by his wife and
>>son, if I recall. In PA, right? It would be awesome to see the
>>originals.
>>
>>Clayburn Moore, who lives here in Fort Worth, has been the closest
>>sculptor to recreate Frazetta pieces in 4D. I have a small version of
>>"The Princess" (8") on my living room table, but I'm really salivating
>>over the newly released "Death Dealer."
>>
>>http://www.frankfrazetta.com/gallery/HTML/sculptures.html
>>
>>I've seen the Silver Warrior Snow Globe. It's really cool.
>>
>>
>>I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)
>
>
> i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
> homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
> and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.
>
> i had two tattoos until this past weekend; now i only have one. i had
> to get rid of one because i couldn't stand it any longer (see
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1480696 for details) and
> now that i'm rid of it, i can finally move forward with others that i
> want to get. i'm working on designs for two small pieces and one large
> one (the large one will incorporate the existing tattoo on my back).
>

ewwww

> the designs i'm working from are here, if anyone is interested in seeing
> them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398
>

Is that just a pretty design or is there some sort of significance to it?

Ben

>

DRS
June 1st 04, 07:10 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message


[...]

> i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do
> your homework as far as choosing an artist and a design.
> rec.arts.bodyart and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent
> resources for me.

Cool zine. Unfortunately there are so many crap designs on the net. I want
to get my shoulder finished but I'm beyond flash, I need to get a proper,
cohesive design done.

[...]

> the designs i'm working from are here, if anyone is interested in
> seeing them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398

Is that a pseudo-Aztec style?

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The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 1st 04, 09:52 PM
DRS > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
>
>
> [...]
>
> > i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do
> > your homework as far as choosing an artist and a design.
> > rec.arts.bodyart and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent
> > resources for me.
>
> Cool zine. Unfortunately there are so many crap designs on the net. I want
> to get my shoulder finished but I'm beyond flash, I need to get a proper,
> cohesive design done.

oh yeah, there are tons of crap designs, everywhere you look it's crap
crap crap. well, not entirely but sometimes it seems like it. i'm
determined to not make another mistake like i did with my first one,
which i think was worse than crap.

as far as getting a proper, cohesive design: it's expensive and time
consuming but so totally worth it. what have you got on there so far?

> [...]
>
> > the designs i'm working from are here, if anyone is interested in
> > seeing them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398
>
> Is that a pseudo-Aztec style?

not even pseudo, it's the real thing. they're all three designs from
flat stamps from early mexican civilization, either mayan or aztec. the
book doesn't specify which image goes with which culture, but everything
in there is either one or the other.

i suppose if i was a real stickler i wouldn't dare to mix aztec with
mayan, but i'm going by what i like as art more than the historical
correctness of any of it.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 1st 04, 09:52 PM
Ben D > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> > elzinator > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
> >>
> >>>elzinator wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
> >>>>maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
> >>>>holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
> >>>>resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
> >>>>hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
> >>>
> >>>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
> >>>anyone else who can do it justice.
> >>>
> >>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
> >>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
> >>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
> >>
> >>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
> >>
> >>....until now.
> >>
> >>I'm a big Frazetta fan. Grew up with his book covers (and reading the
> >>books they covered). One of his pieces is the wallpaper on my laptop.
> >>My Dad still has the original editions of the paperback Conans, many
> >>which Frazetta painted covers for. Frazetta roolz.
> >>
> >>I have wanted to visit his 'museum' which is managed by his wife and
> >>son, if I recall. In PA, right? It would be awesome to see the
> >>originals.
> >>
> >>Clayburn Moore, who lives here in Fort Worth, has been the closest
> >>sculptor to recreate Frazetta pieces in 4D. I have a small version of
> >>"The Princess" (8") on my living room table, but I'm really salivating
> >>over the newly released "Death Dealer."
> >>
> >>http://www.frankfrazetta.com/gallery/HTML/sculptures.html
> >>
> >>I've seen the Silver Warrior Snow Globe. It's really cool.
> >>
> >>
> >>I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)
> >
> >
> > i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
> > homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
> > and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.
> >
> > i had two tattoos until this past weekend; now i only have one. i had
> > to get rid of one because i couldn't stand it any longer (see
> > http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1480696 for details) and
> > now that i'm rid of it, i can finally move forward with others that i
> > want to get. i'm working on designs for two small pieces and one large
> > one (the large one will incorporate the existing tattoo on my back).
> >
>
> ewwww

wassamatta, Ben? you don't like girls with ink in their skin and big
ol' holes in their heads?

> > the designs i'm working from are here, if anyone is interested in seeing
> > them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398
> >
>
> Is that just a pretty design or is there some sort of significance to it?

there is some significance to all of them. some of it is rather
personal, but in general: the butterfly signifies transformation; the
tiny bird design relates to my mother; and the hummingbird represents
(to me, anyhow) strength, endurance and a certain hard-headedness.
they're tenacious little birds. and they're purty.

DRS
June 1st 04, 11:39 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message

> DRS > wrote:

[...]

>> Cool zine. Unfortunately there are so many crap designs on the net.
>> I want to get my shoulder finished but I'm beyond flash, I need to
>> get a proper, cohesive design done.
>
> oh yeah, there are tons of crap designs, everywhere you look it's crap
> crap crap. well, not entirely but sometimes it seems like it. i'm
> determined to not make another mistake like i did with my first one,
> which i think was worse than crap.

I reckon 95% of tattoos are badly done and/or are in bad taste and I reckon
that's what turns a most people off. All they see is garbage. The really
good stuff is mind-blowing, stuff you wouldn't believe could be done with a
needle-gun and ink until you see it for yourself. You and I might know that
because we've looked but I reckon most people haven't and won't because
there's just too much drek.

> as far as getting a proper, cohesive design: it's expensive and time
> consuming but so totally worth it. what have you got on there so far?

I have two roses. The first is red and that's the one I had done when I
lived in Holland. It's roughly at the top of my left lateral delt and the
outline needs to be redone but otherwise it's good for a ten year old
because I don't go out in the sun much. The second is a purple rose as the
centrepiece of a tribal design that works as a pseudo-arm band roughly
halfway down my left arm. I'll use that as the base for a half-sleeve.
Fortunately I'm not in a hurry and I'm not the type to rush this sort of
thing. I just let ideas sort of percolate around the back of my mind while
I get on with other things. I guess that's why I took so long to get the
second one done even though I'd wanted it for several years. I still don't
have a strong image of what I want the whole thing to be about although I'm
thinking perhaps I'm going about it backwards and I should have some designs
in front of me to play with instead of trying to sort it out in my head
first. What I do know is that if I whack any more flash on there now I'll
make getting a coherent design next to impossible.

[...]

seeing them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398
>>
>> Is that a pseudo-Aztec style?
>
> not even pseudo, it's the real thing. they're all three designs from
> flat stamps from early mexican civilization, either mayan or aztec.
> the book doesn't specify which image goes with which culture, but
> everything in there is either one or the other.
>
> i suppose if i was a real stickler i wouldn't dare to mix aztec with
> mayan, but i'm going by what i like as art more than the historical
> correctness of any of it.

Ooh, how daring! :-)

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DRS
June 1st 04, 11:39 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message

> DRS > wrote:

[...]

>> Cool zine. Unfortunately there are so many crap designs on the net.
>> I want to get my shoulder finished but I'm beyond flash, I need to
>> get a proper, cohesive design done.
>
> oh yeah, there are tons of crap designs, everywhere you look it's crap
> crap crap. well, not entirely but sometimes it seems like it. i'm
> determined to not make another mistake like i did with my first one,
> which i think was worse than crap.

I reckon 95% of tattoos are badly done and/or are in bad taste and I reckon
that's what turns a most people off. All they see is garbage. The really
good stuff is mind-blowing, stuff you wouldn't believe could be done with a
needle-gun and ink until you see it for yourself. You and I might know that
because we've looked but I reckon most people haven't and won't because
there's just too much drek.

> as far as getting a proper, cohesive design: it's expensive and time
> consuming but so totally worth it. what have you got on there so far?

I have two roses. The first is red and that's the one I had done when I
lived in Holland. It's roughly at the top of my left lateral delt and the
outline needs to be redone but otherwise it's good for a ten year old
because I don't go out in the sun much. The second is a purple rose as the
centrepiece of a tribal design that works as a pseudo-arm band roughly
halfway down my left arm. I'll use that as the base for a half-sleeve.
Fortunately I'm not in a hurry and I'm not the type to rush this sort of
thing. I just let ideas sort of percolate around the back of my mind while
I get on with other things. I guess that's why I took so long to get the
second one done even though I'd wanted it for several years. I still don't
have a strong image of what I want the whole thing to be about although I'm
thinking perhaps I'm going about it backwards and I should have some designs
in front of me to play with instead of trying to sort it out in my head
first. What I do know is that if I whack any more flash on there now I'll
make getting a coherent design next to impossible.

[...]

seeing them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398
>>
>> Is that a pseudo-Aztec style?
>
> not even pseudo, it's the real thing. they're all three designs from
> flat stamps from early mexican civilization, either mayan or aztec.
> the book doesn't specify which image goes with which culture, but
> everything in there is either one or the other.
>
> i suppose if i was a real stickler i wouldn't dare to mix aztec with
> mayan, but i'm going by what i like as art more than the historical
> correctness of any of it.

Ooh, how daring! :-)

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Ben D
June 2nd 04, 12:06 AM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> Ben D > wrote:
>
>
>>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>>>elzinator > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>elzinator wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>>>>>>maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>>>>>>holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>>>>>>resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>>>>>>hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>>>>>anyone else who can do it justice.
>>>>>
>>>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>>>
>>>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>>>
>>>>....until now.
>>>>
>>>>I'm a big Frazetta fan. Grew up with his book covers (and reading the
>>>>books they covered). One of his pieces is the wallpaper on my laptop.
>>>>My Dad still has the original editions of the paperback Conans, many
>>>>which Frazetta painted covers for. Frazetta roolz.
>>>>
>>>>I have wanted to visit his 'museum' which is managed by his wife and
>>>>son, if I recall. In PA, right? It would be awesome to see the
>>>>originals.
>>>>
>>>>Clayburn Moore, who lives here in Fort Worth, has been the closest
>>>>sculptor to recreate Frazetta pieces in 4D. I have a small version of
>>>>"The Princess" (8") on my living room table, but I'm really salivating
>>>>over the newly released "Death Dealer."
>>>>
>>>>http://www.frankfrazetta.com/gallery/HTML/sculptures.html
>>>>
>>>>I've seen the Silver Warrior Snow Globe. It's really cool.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
>>>homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
>>>and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.
>>>
>>>i had two tattoos until this past weekend; now i only have one. i had
>>>to get rid of one because i couldn't stand it any longer (see
>>>http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1480696 for details) and
>>>now that i'm rid of it, i can finally move forward with others that i
>>>want to get. i'm working on designs for two small pieces and one large
>>>one (the large one will incorporate the existing tattoo on my back).
>>>
>>
>>ewwww
>
>
> wassamatta, Ben? you don't like girls with ink in their skin and big
> ol' holes in their heads?
>

Nah, self improvement through self mutilation is what I say.

>
>>>the designs i'm working from are here, if anyone is interested in seeing
>>>them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398
>>>
>>
>>Is that just a pretty design or is there some sort of significance to it?
>
>
> there is some significance to all of them. some of it is rather
> personal, but in general: the butterfly signifies transformation; the
> tiny bird design relates to my mother; and the hummingbird represents
> (to me, anyhow) strength, endurance and a certain hard-headedness.
> they're tenacious little birds. and they're purty.

I think you discussed this below, but what I should have said was "Does
this design have any significance beyond personal?" I was curious
whether they come from some sort of anthropological background. Personal
and historical significance, though not mutually exclusive, can be very
different, however.

Ben

Ben D
June 2nd 04, 12:06 AM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> Ben D > wrote:
>
>
>>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>>>elzinator > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 28 May 2004 01:26:32 GMT, Wayne S. Hill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>elzinator wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>One that came to mind earlier today was a regal Amazon-type
>>>>>>maiden in loincloth (animal print, of course) and sports bra
>>>>>>holding the end of an Olympic bar in one hand (the other end
>>>>>>resting on the ground) and a bumper plate in the other. A
>>>>>>hybrid between Frazetta's 'The Huntress' and 'Magdalena'.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah, yes, Frank Frazetta. Great stuff. It might be tough to find
>>>>>anyone else who can do it justice.
>>>>>
>>>>>I once met a tattoo artist who's a friend of his, and he has
>>>>>Frazetta designs that are licensed by the artist. As you might
>>>>>imagine, these designs are very involved.
>>>>
>>>>I have never entertained the thought of having/wearing a tatoo....
>>>>
>>>>....until now.
>>>>
>>>>I'm a big Frazetta fan. Grew up with his book covers (and reading the
>>>>books they covered). One of his pieces is the wallpaper on my laptop.
>>>>My Dad still has the original editions of the paperback Conans, many
>>>>which Frazetta painted covers for. Frazetta roolz.
>>>>
>>>>I have wanted to visit his 'museum' which is managed by his wife and
>>>>son, if I recall. In PA, right? It would be awesome to see the
>>>>originals.
>>>>
>>>>Clayburn Moore, who lives here in Fort Worth, has been the closest
>>>>sculptor to recreate Frazetta pieces in 4D. I have a small version of
>>>>"The Princess" (8") on my living room table, but I'm really salivating
>>>>over the newly released "Death Dealer."
>>>>
>>>>http://www.frankfrazetta.com/gallery/HTML/sculptures.html
>>>>
>>>>I've seen the Silver Warrior Snow Globe. It's really cool.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
>>>homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
>>>and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.
>>>
>>>i had two tattoos until this past weekend; now i only have one. i had
>>>to get rid of one because i couldn't stand it any longer (see
>>>http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1480696 for details) and
>>>now that i'm rid of it, i can finally move forward with others that i
>>>want to get. i'm working on designs for two small pieces and one large
>>>one (the large one will incorporate the existing tattoo on my back).
>>>
>>
>>ewwww
>
>
> wassamatta, Ben? you don't like girls with ink in their skin and big
> ol' holes in their heads?
>

Nah, self improvement through self mutilation is what I say.

>
>>>the designs i'm working from are here, if anyone is interested in seeing
>>>them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398
>>>
>>
>>Is that just a pretty design or is there some sort of significance to it?
>
>
> there is some significance to all of them. some of it is rather
> personal, but in general: the butterfly signifies transformation; the
> tiny bird design relates to my mother; and the hummingbird represents
> (to me, anyhow) strength, endurance and a certain hard-headedness.
> they're tenacious little birds. and they're purty.

I think you discussed this below, but what I should have said was "Does
this design have any significance beyond personal?" I was curious
whether they come from some sort of anthropological background. Personal
and historical significance, though not mutually exclusive, can be very
different, however.

Ben

elzinator
June 3rd 04, 02:58 AM
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:04:54 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>elzinator > wrote:

>> I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)
>
>i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
>homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
>and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.

If I were to do a tattoo of that type, I already have my pick. It's an
old favorite.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

elzinator
June 3rd 04, 02:58 AM
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:04:54 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>elzinator > wrote:

>> I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)
>
>i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
>homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
>and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.

If I were to do a tattoo of that type, I already have my pick. It's an
old favorite.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 3rd 04, 02:23 PM
elzinator > wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:04:54 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >elzinator > wrote:
>
> >> I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)
> >
> >i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
> >homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
> >and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.
>
> If I were to do a tattoo of that type, I already have my pick. It's an
> old favorite.

oh, no. i didn't mean with choosing a design. that's the easy part.
it's placement and sizing and how to choose a tattoo artist and
aftercare that are the crucial things.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 3rd 04, 02:23 PM
elzinator > wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:04:54 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >elzinator > wrote:
>
> >> I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)
> >
> >i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
> >homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
> >and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.
>
> If I were to do a tattoo of that type, I already have my pick. It's an
> old favorite.

oh, no. i didn't mean with choosing a design. that's the easy part.
it's placement and sizing and how to choose a tattoo artist and
aftercare that are the crucial things.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 3rd 04, 03:36 PM
Ben D > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> > wassamatta, Ben? you don't like girls with ink in their skin and big
> > ol' holes in their heads?
> >
>
> Nah, self improvement through self mutilation is what I say.

self mutilation? piffle.

> > there is some significance to all of them. some of it is rather
> > personal, but in general: the butterfly signifies transformation; the
> > tiny bird design relates to my mother; and the hummingbird represents
> > (to me, anyhow) strength, endurance and a certain hard-headedness.
> > they're tenacious little birds. and they're purty.
>
> I think you discussed this below, but what I should have said was "Does
> this design have any significance beyond personal?" I was curious
> whether they come from some sort of anthropological background. Personal
> and historical significance, though not mutually exclusive, can be very
> different, however.

they all have significance beyond the personal. those ancient cultures
were big on that kind of thing.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 3rd 04, 03:36 PM
Ben D > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> > wassamatta, Ben? you don't like girls with ink in their skin and big
> > ol' holes in their heads?
> >
>
> Nah, self improvement through self mutilation is what I say.

self mutilation? piffle.

> > there is some significance to all of them. some of it is rather
> > personal, but in general: the butterfly signifies transformation; the
> > tiny bird design relates to my mother; and the hummingbird represents
> > (to me, anyhow) strength, endurance and a certain hard-headedness.
> > they're tenacious little birds. and they're purty.
>
> I think you discussed this below, but what I should have said was "Does
> this design have any significance beyond personal?" I was curious
> whether they come from some sort of anthropological background. Personal
> and historical significance, though not mutually exclusive, can be very
> different, however.

they all have significance beyond the personal. those ancient cultures
were big on that kind of thing.

John HUDSON
June 3rd 04, 04:23 PM
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:36:17 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>Ben D > wrote:
>
>> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>> > wassamatta, Ben? you don't like girls with ink in their skin and big
>> > ol' holes in their heads?
>> >
>>
>> Nah, self improvement through self mutilation is what I say.
>
>self mutilation? piffle.

It really is time you came up with something more academic, by way of
response to well-intentioned people, who advise that you are into self
mutilation, which is fashionable at the moment, but which you will
ultimately regret!!

It becomes apparent that you have nothing of substance to say with
which to validate your lemming like behaviour.

John HUDSON
June 3rd 04, 04:23 PM
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:36:17 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>Ben D > wrote:
>
>> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>> > wassamatta, Ben? you don't like girls with ink in their skin and big
>> > ol' holes in their heads?
>> >
>>
>> Nah, self improvement through self mutilation is what I say.
>
>self mutilation? piffle.

It really is time you came up with something more academic, by way of
response to well-intentioned people, who advise that you are into self
mutilation, which is fashionable at the moment, but which you will
ultimately regret!!

It becomes apparent that you have nothing of substance to say with
which to validate your lemming like behaviour.

elzinator
June 5th 04, 12:30 AM
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:23:12 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>elzinator > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:04:54 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> >elzinator > wrote:
>>
>> >> I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)
>> >
>> >i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
>> >homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
>> >and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.
>>
>> If I were to do a tattoo of that type, I already have my pick. It's an
>> old favorite.
>
>oh, no. i didn't mean with choosing a design. that's the easy part.
>it's placement and sizing and how to choose a tattoo artist and
>aftercare that are the crucial things.

Maybe I'll 'tatoo' on the rear of my truck. :)

"I am the monster." - Riddick

elzinator
June 5th 04, 12:30 AM
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:23:12 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>elzinator > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:04:54 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> >elzinator > wrote:
>>
>> >> I think a Frazetta-type Deadlift Goddess would be quite nice. :)
>> >
>> >i think so too, and i would encourage you to get it. definitely do your
>> >homework as far as choosing an artist and a design. rec.arts.bodyart
>> >and http://www.bmezine.com have been excellent resources for me.
>>
>> If I were to do a tattoo of that type, I already have my pick. It's an
>> old favorite.
>
>oh, no. i didn't mean with choosing a design. that's the easy part.
>it's placement and sizing and how to choose a tattoo artist and
>aftercare that are the crucial things.

Maybe I'll 'tatoo' on the rear of my truck. :)

"I am the monster." - Riddick

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 5th 04, 07:04 PM
DRS > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
>
> > DRS > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> Cool zine. Unfortunately there are so many crap designs on the net.
> >> I want to get my shoulder finished but I'm beyond flash, I need to
> >> get a proper, cohesive design done.
> >
> > oh yeah, there are tons of crap designs, everywhere you look it's crap
> > crap crap. well, not entirely but sometimes it seems like it. i'm
> > determined to not make another mistake like i did with my first one,
> > which i think was worse than crap.
>
> I reckon 95% of tattoos are badly done and/or are in bad taste and I reckon
> that's what turns a most people off. All they see is garbage. The really
> good stuff is mind-blowing, stuff you wouldn't believe could be done with a
> needle-gun and ink until you see it for yourself. You and I might know that
> because we've looked but I reckon most people haven't and won't because
> there's just too much drek.

truly. most people aren't willing to educate themselves beyond the ends
of their own noses even when it comes to intensely personal things like
diet and exercise, so i suppose i shouldn't expect the realm of body art
to be any different.

> > as far as getting a proper, cohesive design: it's expensive and time
> > consuming but so totally worth it. what have you got on there so far?
>
> I have two roses. The first is red and that's the one I had done when I
> lived in Holland. It's roughly at the top of my left lateral delt and the
> outline needs to be redone but otherwise it's good for a ten year old
> because I don't go out in the sun much. The second is a purple rose as the
> centrepiece of a tribal design that works as a pseudo-arm band roughly
> halfway down my left arm. I'll use that as the base for a half-sleeve.
> Fortunately I'm not in a hurry and I'm not the type to rush this sort of
> thing. I just let ideas sort of percolate around the back of my mind while
> I get on with other things. I guess that's why I took so long to get the
> second one done even though I'd wanted it for several years. I still don't
> have a strong image of what I want the whole thing to be about although I'm
> thinking perhaps I'm going about it backwards and I should have some designs
> in front of me to play with instead of trying to sort it out in my head
> first. What I do know is that if I whack any more flash on there now I'll
> make getting a coherent design next to impossible.

wow. a half-sleeve is ambitious. i'm still not entirely sure i want
visible ink, although i suspect that what i do end up with will not be
totally hidden.

keep thinking about it. that's what i've been doing, just thinking and
thinking and thinking. i suppose at some point i should go talk to an
artist and get some input, but i'm reluctant to do so until i have a
fairly clear idea of what i'm going to do. i don't want to waste their
time or mine.

> [...]
>
> seeing them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398
> >>
> >> Is that a pseudo-Aztec style?
> >
> > not even pseudo, it's the real thing. they're all three designs from
> > flat stamps from early mexican civilization, either mayan or aztec.
> > the book doesn't specify which image goes with which culture, but
> > everything in there is either one or the other.
> >
> > i suppose if i was a real stickler i wouldn't dare to mix aztec with
> > mayan, but i'm going by what i like as art more than the historical
> > correctness of any of it.
>
> Ooh, how daring! :-)

what can i say? i'm a rebel.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 5th 04, 07:04 PM
DRS > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
>
> > DRS > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> Cool zine. Unfortunately there are so many crap designs on the net.
> >> I want to get my shoulder finished but I'm beyond flash, I need to
> >> get a proper, cohesive design done.
> >
> > oh yeah, there are tons of crap designs, everywhere you look it's crap
> > crap crap. well, not entirely but sometimes it seems like it. i'm
> > determined to not make another mistake like i did with my first one,
> > which i think was worse than crap.
>
> I reckon 95% of tattoos are badly done and/or are in bad taste and I reckon
> that's what turns a most people off. All they see is garbage. The really
> good stuff is mind-blowing, stuff you wouldn't believe could be done with a
> needle-gun and ink until you see it for yourself. You and I might know that
> because we've looked but I reckon most people haven't and won't because
> there's just too much drek.

truly. most people aren't willing to educate themselves beyond the ends
of their own noses even when it comes to intensely personal things like
diet and exercise, so i suppose i shouldn't expect the realm of body art
to be any different.

> > as far as getting a proper, cohesive design: it's expensive and time
> > consuming but so totally worth it. what have you got on there so far?
>
> I have two roses. The first is red and that's the one I had done when I
> lived in Holland. It's roughly at the top of my left lateral delt and the
> outline needs to be redone but otherwise it's good for a ten year old
> because I don't go out in the sun much. The second is a purple rose as the
> centrepiece of a tribal design that works as a pseudo-arm band roughly
> halfway down my left arm. I'll use that as the base for a half-sleeve.
> Fortunately I'm not in a hurry and I'm not the type to rush this sort of
> thing. I just let ideas sort of percolate around the back of my mind while
> I get on with other things. I guess that's why I took so long to get the
> second one done even though I'd wanted it for several years. I still don't
> have a strong image of what I want the whole thing to be about although I'm
> thinking perhaps I'm going about it backwards and I should have some designs
> in front of me to play with instead of trying to sort it out in my head
> first. What I do know is that if I whack any more flash on there now I'll
> make getting a coherent design next to impossible.

wow. a half-sleeve is ambitious. i'm still not entirely sure i want
visible ink, although i suspect that what i do end up with will not be
totally hidden.

keep thinking about it. that's what i've been doing, just thinking and
thinking and thinking. i suppose at some point i should go talk to an
artist and get some input, but i'm reluctant to do so until i have a
fairly clear idea of what i'm going to do. i don't want to waste their
time or mine.

> [...]
>
> seeing them: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398
> >>
> >> Is that a pseudo-Aztec style?
> >
> > not even pseudo, it's the real thing. they're all three designs from
> > flat stamps from early mexican civilization, either mayan or aztec.
> > the book doesn't specify which image goes with which culture, but
> > everything in there is either one or the other.
> >
> > i suppose if i was a real stickler i wouldn't dare to mix aztec with
> > mayan, but i'm going by what i like as art more than the historical
> > correctness of any of it.
>
> Ooh, how daring! :-)

what can i say? i'm a rebel.

DRS
June 6th 04, 02:17 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message

> DRS > wrote:

[...]

> truly. most people aren't willing to educate themselves beyond the
> ends of their own noses even when it comes to intensely personal
> things like diet and exercise, so i suppose i shouldn't expect the
> realm of body art to be any different.

The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if all
they see is rubbish?

[...]

>> I have two roses. The first is red and that's the one I had done
>> when I lived in Holland. It's roughly at the top of my left lateral
>> delt and the outline needs to be redone but otherwise it's good for
>> a ten year old because I don't go out in the sun much. The second
>> is a purple rose as the centrepiece of a tribal design that works as
>> a pseudo-arm band roughly halfway down my left arm. I'll use that
>> as the base for a half-sleeve. Fortunately I'm not in a hurry and
>> I'm not the type to rush this sort of thing. I just let ideas sort
>> of percolate around the back of my mind while I get on with other
>> things. I guess that's why I took so long to get the second one
>> done even though I'd wanted it for several years. I still don't
>> have a strong image of what I want the whole thing to be about
>> although I'm thinking perhaps I'm going about it backwards and I
>> should have some designs in front of me to play with instead of
>> trying to sort it out in my head first. What I do know is that if I
>> whack any more flash on there now I'll make getting a coherent
>> design next to impossible.
>
> wow. a half-sleeve is ambitious. i'm still not entirely sure i want
> visible ink, although i suspect that what i do end up with will not be
> totally hidden.

I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a quarter-sleeve,
from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band is only visible with
T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like undershirts.

> keep thinking about it. that's what i've been doing, just thinking
> and thinking and thinking. i suppose at some point i should go talk
> to an artist and get some input, but i'm reluctant to do so until i
> have a fairly clear idea of what i'm going to do. i don't want to
> waste their time or mine.

That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I need to do
something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be thinking about in ten
years time. At some point you have to bite the bullet and do it. Sort of
"butch up and get inked!"

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DRS
June 6th 04, 02:17 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message

> DRS > wrote:

[...]

> truly. most people aren't willing to educate themselves beyond the
> ends of their own noses even when it comes to intensely personal
> things like diet and exercise, so i suppose i shouldn't expect the
> realm of body art to be any different.

The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if all
they see is rubbish?

[...]

>> I have two roses. The first is red and that's the one I had done
>> when I lived in Holland. It's roughly at the top of my left lateral
>> delt and the outline needs to be redone but otherwise it's good for
>> a ten year old because I don't go out in the sun much. The second
>> is a purple rose as the centrepiece of a tribal design that works as
>> a pseudo-arm band roughly halfway down my left arm. I'll use that
>> as the base for a half-sleeve. Fortunately I'm not in a hurry and
>> I'm not the type to rush this sort of thing. I just let ideas sort
>> of percolate around the back of my mind while I get on with other
>> things. I guess that's why I took so long to get the second one
>> done even though I'd wanted it for several years. I still don't
>> have a strong image of what I want the whole thing to be about
>> although I'm thinking perhaps I'm going about it backwards and I
>> should have some designs in front of me to play with instead of
>> trying to sort it out in my head first. What I do know is that if I
>> whack any more flash on there now I'll make getting a coherent
>> design next to impossible.
>
> wow. a half-sleeve is ambitious. i'm still not entirely sure i want
> visible ink, although i suspect that what i do end up with will not be
> totally hidden.

I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a quarter-sleeve,
from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band is only visible with
T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like undershirts.

> keep thinking about it. that's what i've been doing, just thinking
> and thinking and thinking. i suppose at some point i should go talk
> to an artist and get some input, but i'm reluctant to do so until i
> have a fairly clear idea of what i'm going to do. i don't want to
> waste their time or mine.

That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I need to do
something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be thinking about in ten
years time. At some point you have to bite the bullet and do it. Sort of
"butch up and get inked!"

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Gunnloth
June 7th 04, 02:04 PM
"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
>
> > DRS > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > truly. most people aren't willing to educate themselves beyond the
> > ends of their own noses even when it comes to intensely personal
> > things like diet and exercise, so i suppose i shouldn't expect the
> > realm of body art to be any different.
>
> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if all
> they see is rubbish?

I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people don't
have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give up
when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they have
made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change. They
are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is necessary
to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy memberships
and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?

Regards,
Gunn

Gunnloth
June 7th 04, 02:04 PM
"DRS" > wrote in message
...
> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
>
> > DRS > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > truly. most people aren't willing to educate themselves beyond the
> > ends of their own noses even when it comes to intensely personal
> > things like diet and exercise, so i suppose i shouldn't expect the
> > realm of body art to be any different.
>
> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if all
> they see is rubbish?

I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people don't
have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give up
when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they have
made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change. They
are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is necessary
to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy memberships
and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?

Regards,
Gunn

Smack
June 7th 04, 05:50 PM
In article >,
"Gunnloth" > wrote:

> > The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if all
> > they see is rubbish?
>
> I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people don't
> have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give up
> when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they have
> made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change. They
> are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is necessary
> to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
> Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy memberships
> and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?

So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)

But more seriously, habits are hard to change regardless of whether
they're "good" or "bad." Most people hope they can rely on willpower,
but only about 5% of human behavior is determined by willpower (this is
pretty much constant from one person to the next). Thus, they just
don't have enough willpower to make sudden dramatic changes in their
lives.

The trick is taking on only as much as one's willpower can handle
easily, wait for it to become habit (the other 95%), and then take on a
little more. The problem is most people don't have that kind of
foresight. And they keep blaming their problems on not having enough
willpower.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

Smack
June 7th 04, 05:50 PM
In article >,
"Gunnloth" > wrote:

> > The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if all
> > they see is rubbish?
>
> I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people don't
> have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give up
> when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they have
> made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change. They
> are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is necessary
> to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
> Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy memberships
> and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?

So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)

But more seriously, habits are hard to change regardless of whether
they're "good" or "bad." Most people hope they can rely on willpower,
but only about 5% of human behavior is determined by willpower (this is
pretty much constant from one person to the next). Thus, they just
don't have enough willpower to make sudden dramatic changes in their
lives.

The trick is taking on only as much as one's willpower can handle
easily, wait for it to become habit (the other 95%), and then take on a
little more. The problem is most people don't have that kind of
foresight. And they keep blaming their problems on not having enough
willpower.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

DRS
June 7th 04, 11:38 PM
"Smack" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Gunnloth" > wrote:
>
>> I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of
>> people don't have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier
>> them. They give up when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the
>> positive changes they have made, because in reality they fear change
>> and do not want to change. They are incapeable of taking a daily
>> personal inventory and do what is necessary to evolve. Yes I know
>> I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right. Evidence can be found
>> at the Health Club. How many people buy memberships and never use
>> them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?
>
> So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
> changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)

Congratulations, Grasshopper! You arre now ready for the next level.

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DRS
June 7th 04, 11:38 PM
"Smack" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Gunnloth" > wrote:
>
>> I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of
>> people don't have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier
>> them. They give up when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the
>> positive changes they have made, because in reality they fear change
>> and do not want to change. They are incapeable of taking a daily
>> personal inventory and do what is necessary to evolve. Yes I know
>> I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right. Evidence can be found
>> at the Health Club. How many people buy memberships and never use
>> them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?
>
> So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
> changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)

Congratulations, Grasshopper! You arre now ready for the next level.

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Manso
June 8th 04, 02:34 AM
"Smack" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Gunnloth" > wrote:
>
> > > The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
all
> > > they see is rubbish?
> >
> > I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people
don't
> > have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give up
> > when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they
have
> > made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change.
They
> > are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is
necessary
> > to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
> > Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy
memberships
> > and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?
>
> So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
> changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)
>
> But more seriously, habits are hard to change regardless of whether
> they're "good" or "bad." Most people hope they can rely on willpower,
> but only about 5% of human behavior is determined by willpower (this is
> pretty much constant from one person to the next). Thus, they just
> don't have enough willpower to make sudden dramatic changes in their
> lives.
>
> The trick is taking on only as much as one's willpower can handle
> easily, wait for it to become habit (the other 95%), and then take on a
> little more. The problem is most people don't have that kind of
> foresight. And they keep blaming their problems on not having enough
> willpower.
>
> --
> Stephen Mack
> Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
> www.arkamusic.com
>
> "Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

That was definitely one of the most well thought out posts I have seen on
this NG.

Rolo

Manso
June 8th 04, 02:34 AM
"Smack" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Gunnloth" > wrote:
>
> > > The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
all
> > > they see is rubbish?
> >
> > I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people
don't
> > have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give up
> > when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they
have
> > made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change.
They
> > are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is
necessary
> > to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
> > Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy
memberships
> > and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?
>
> So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
> changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)
>
> But more seriously, habits are hard to change regardless of whether
> they're "good" or "bad." Most people hope they can rely on willpower,
> but only about 5% of human behavior is determined by willpower (this is
> pretty much constant from one person to the next). Thus, they just
> don't have enough willpower to make sudden dramatic changes in their
> lives.
>
> The trick is taking on only as much as one's willpower can handle
> easily, wait for it to become habit (the other 95%), and then take on a
> little more. The problem is most people don't have that kind of
> foresight. And they keep blaming their problems on not having enough
> willpower.
>
> --
> Stephen Mack
> Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
> www.arkamusic.com
>
> "Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

That was definitely one of the most well thought out posts I have seen on
this NG.

Rolo

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 8th 04, 04:49 AM
DRS > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
>
> > DRS > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > truly. most people aren't willing to educate themselves beyond the
> > ends of their own noses even when it comes to intensely personal
> > things like diet and exercise, so i suppose i shouldn't expect the
> > realm of body art to be any different.
>
> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if all
> they see is rubbish?

yeah, i know. i'm just a crazy idealist who continues to hope that
people aren't actually as incredibly ****ing stupid as they all seem and
that they might just get off their lazy asses and investigate something,
whether they intended to engage in it or not. just for curiosity's
sake.

it's a wonder my spirit hasn't been totally beat down by the world yet,
really.

> [...]
>
> >> I have two roses. The first is red and that's the one I had done
> >> when I lived in Holland. It's roughly at the top of my left lateral
> >> delt and the outline needs to be redone but otherwise it's good for
> >> a ten year old because I don't go out in the sun much. The second
> >> is a purple rose as the centrepiece of a tribal design that works as
> >> a pseudo-arm band roughly halfway down my left arm. I'll use that
> >> as the base for a half-sleeve. Fortunately I'm not in a hurry and
> >> I'm not the type to rush this sort of thing. I just let ideas sort
> >> of percolate around the back of my mind while I get on with other
> >> things. I guess that's why I took so long to get the second one
> >> done even though I'd wanted it for several years. I still don't
> >> have a strong image of what I want the whole thing to be about
> >> although I'm thinking perhaps I'm going about it backwards and I
> >> should have some designs in front of me to play with instead of
> >> trying to sort it out in my head first. What I do know is that if I
> >> whack any more flash on there now I'll make getting a coherent
> >> design next to impossible.
> >
> > wow. a half-sleeve is ambitious. i'm still not entirely sure i want
> > visible ink, although i suspect that what i do end up with will not be
> > totally hidden.
>
> I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a quarter-sleeve,
> from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band is only visible with
> T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like undershirts.

still ambitious. you're way more hardcore than me.

:P

> > keep thinking about it. that's what i've been doing, just thinking
> > and thinking and thinking. i suppose at some point i should go talk
> > to an artist and get some input, but i'm reluctant to do so until i
> > have a fairly clear idea of what i'm going to do. i don't want to
> > waste their time or mine.
>
> That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I need to do
> something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be thinking about in ten
> years time. At some point you have to bite the bullet and do it. Sort of
> "butch up and get inked!"

truly.

i'm contemplating colors for my butterfly even as we speak. i hope to
see it on my skin by the end of this year.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 8th 04, 04:49 AM
Smack > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Gunnloth" > wrote:
>
> > > The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if all
> > > they see is rubbish?
> >
> > I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people don't
> > have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give up
> > when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they have
> > made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change. They
> > are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is necessary
> > to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
> > Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy memberships
> > and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?
>
> So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
> changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)

of course!

> But more seriously, habits are hard to change regardless of whether
> they're "good" or "bad." Most people hope they can rely on willpower,
> but only about 5% of human behavior is determined by willpower (this is
> pretty much constant from one person to the next). Thus, they just
> don't have enough willpower to make sudden dramatic changes in their
> lives.
>
> The trick is taking on only as much as one's willpower can handle
> easily, wait for it to become habit (the other 95%), and then take on a
> little more. The problem is most people don't have that kind of
> foresight. And they keep blaming their problems on not having enough
> willpower.

i don't believe in willpower.

do or do not. there is no try.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 8th 04, 04:49 AM
DRS > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
>
> > DRS > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > truly. most people aren't willing to educate themselves beyond the
> > ends of their own noses even when it comes to intensely personal
> > things like diet and exercise, so i suppose i shouldn't expect the
> > realm of body art to be any different.
>
> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if all
> they see is rubbish?

yeah, i know. i'm just a crazy idealist who continues to hope that
people aren't actually as incredibly ****ing stupid as they all seem and
that they might just get off their lazy asses and investigate something,
whether they intended to engage in it or not. just for curiosity's
sake.

it's a wonder my spirit hasn't been totally beat down by the world yet,
really.

> [...]
>
> >> I have two roses. The first is red and that's the one I had done
> >> when I lived in Holland. It's roughly at the top of my left lateral
> >> delt and the outline needs to be redone but otherwise it's good for
> >> a ten year old because I don't go out in the sun much. The second
> >> is a purple rose as the centrepiece of a tribal design that works as
> >> a pseudo-arm band roughly halfway down my left arm. I'll use that
> >> as the base for a half-sleeve. Fortunately I'm not in a hurry and
> >> I'm not the type to rush this sort of thing. I just let ideas sort
> >> of percolate around the back of my mind while I get on with other
> >> things. I guess that's why I took so long to get the second one
> >> done even though I'd wanted it for several years. I still don't
> >> have a strong image of what I want the whole thing to be about
> >> although I'm thinking perhaps I'm going about it backwards and I
> >> should have some designs in front of me to play with instead of
> >> trying to sort it out in my head first. What I do know is that if I
> >> whack any more flash on there now I'll make getting a coherent
> >> design next to impossible.
> >
> > wow. a half-sleeve is ambitious. i'm still not entirely sure i want
> > visible ink, although i suspect that what i do end up with will not be
> > totally hidden.
>
> I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a quarter-sleeve,
> from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band is only visible with
> T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like undershirts.

still ambitious. you're way more hardcore than me.

:P

> > keep thinking about it. that's what i've been doing, just thinking
> > and thinking and thinking. i suppose at some point i should go talk
> > to an artist and get some input, but i'm reluctant to do so until i
> > have a fairly clear idea of what i'm going to do. i don't want to
> > waste their time or mine.
>
> That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I need to do
> something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be thinking about in ten
> years time. At some point you have to bite the bullet and do it. Sort of
> "butch up and get inked!"

truly.

i'm contemplating colors for my butterfly even as we speak. i hope to
see it on my skin by the end of this year.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 8th 04, 04:49 AM
Smack > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Gunnloth" > wrote:
>
> > > The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if all
> > > they see is rubbish?
> >
> > I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people don't
> > have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give up
> > when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they have
> > made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change. They
> > are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is necessary
> > to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
> > Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy memberships
> > and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?
>
> So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
> changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)

of course!

> But more seriously, habits are hard to change regardless of whether
> they're "good" or "bad." Most people hope they can rely on willpower,
> but only about 5% of human behavior is determined by willpower (this is
> pretty much constant from one person to the next). Thus, they just
> don't have enough willpower to make sudden dramatic changes in their
> lives.
>
> The trick is taking on only as much as one's willpower can handle
> easily, wait for it to become habit (the other 95%), and then take on a
> little more. The problem is most people don't have that kind of
> foresight. And they keep blaming their problems on not having enough
> willpower.

i don't believe in willpower.

do or do not. there is no try.

DRS
June 8th 04, 12:41 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message

> DRS > wrote:

[...]

>> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
>> all they see is rubbish?
>
> yeah, i know. i'm just a crazy idealist who continues to hope that
> people aren't actually as incredibly ****ing stupid as they all seem
> and that they might just get off their lazy asses and investigate
> something, whether they intended to engage in it or not. just for
> curiosity's sake.

They need to be shown something good first. Give them some incentive.

> it's a wonder my spirit hasn't been totally beat down by the world
> yet, really.

Ah, but you always have the good-hearted denizens of MFW to fall back upon.

[...]

>> I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a
>> quarter-sleeve, from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band
>> is only visible with T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like
>> undershirts.
>
> still ambitious. you're way more hardcore than me.

Heh. I'll find a way to remind you you said that.

[...]

>> That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I
>> need to do something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be
>> thinking about in ten years time. At some point you have to bite
>> the bullet and do it. Sort of "butch up and get inked!"
>
> truly.
>
> i'm contemplating colors for my butterfly even as we speak. i hope to
> see it on my skin by the end of this year.

JPEGs will be required in due course, of course. I actually have a photo of
my arm but I don't have a scanner.

--

"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as
equals."
Winston Churchill

DRS
June 8th 04, 12:41 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message

> DRS > wrote:

[...]

>> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
>> all they see is rubbish?
>
> yeah, i know. i'm just a crazy idealist who continues to hope that
> people aren't actually as incredibly ****ing stupid as they all seem
> and that they might just get off their lazy asses and investigate
> something, whether they intended to engage in it or not. just for
> curiosity's sake.

They need to be shown something good first. Give them some incentive.

> it's a wonder my spirit hasn't been totally beat down by the world
> yet, really.

Ah, but you always have the good-hearted denizens of MFW to fall back upon.

[...]

>> I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a
>> quarter-sleeve, from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band
>> is only visible with T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like
>> undershirts.
>
> still ambitious. you're way more hardcore than me.

Heh. I'll find a way to remind you you said that.

[...]

>> That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I
>> need to do something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be
>> thinking about in ten years time. At some point you have to bite
>> the bullet and do it. Sort of "butch up and get inked!"
>
> truly.
>
> i'm contemplating colors for my butterfly even as we speak. i hope to
> see it on my skin by the end of this year.

JPEGs will be required in due course, of course. I actually have a photo of
my arm but I don't have a scanner.

--

"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as
equals."
Winston Churchill

Gunnloth
June 8th 04, 05:27 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
. ..
> Smack > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "Gunnloth" > wrote:
> >
> > > > The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
all
> > > > they see is rubbish?
> > >
> > > I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people
don't
> > > have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give
up
> > > when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they
have
> > > made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change.
They
> > > are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is
necessary
> > > to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
> > > Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy
memberships
> > > and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?
> >
> > So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
> > changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)
>
> of course!
>
> > But more seriously, habits are hard to change regardless of whether
> > they're "good" or "bad." Most people hope they can rely on willpower,
> > but only about 5% of human behavior is determined by willpower (this is
> > pretty much constant from one person to the next). Thus, they just
> > don't have enough willpower to make sudden dramatic changes in their
> > lives.
> >
> > The trick is taking on only as much as one's willpower can handle
> > easily, wait for it to become habit (the other 95%), and then take on a
> > little more. The problem is most people don't have that kind of
> > foresight. And they keep blaming their problems on not having enough
> > willpower.
>
> i don't believe in willpower.
>
> do or do not. there is no try.

Well said Queen!

Regards,
Gunn

Gunnloth
June 8th 04, 05:27 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
. ..
> Smack > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "Gunnloth" > wrote:
> >
> > > > The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
all
> > > > they see is rubbish?
> > >
> > > I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people
don't
> > > have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give
up
> > > when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they
have
> > > made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change.
They
> > > are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is
necessary
> > > to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
> > > Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy
memberships
> > > and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?
> >
> > So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
> > changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)
>
> of course!
>
> > But more seriously, habits are hard to change regardless of whether
> > they're "good" or "bad." Most people hope they can rely on willpower,
> > but only about 5% of human behavior is determined by willpower (this is
> > pretty much constant from one person to the next). Thus, they just
> > don't have enough willpower to make sudden dramatic changes in their
> > lives.
> >
> > The trick is taking on only as much as one's willpower can handle
> > easily, wait for it to become habit (the other 95%), and then take on a
> > little more. The problem is most people don't have that kind of
> > foresight. And they keep blaming their problems on not having enough
> > willpower.
>
> i don't believe in willpower.
>
> do or do not. there is no try.

Well said Queen!

Regards,
Gunn

Gunnloth
June 8th 04, 05:27 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
. ..
> Smack > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "Gunnloth" > wrote:
> >
> > > > The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
all
> > > > they see is rubbish?
> > >
> > > I wondered about that myself DRS then I realized that a lot of people
don't
> > > have the will to continue to evlove into a healthier them. They give
up
> > > when it becomes "inconvienient" to continue the positive changes they
have
> > > made, because in reality they fear change and do not want to change.
They
> > > are incapeable of taking a daily personal inventory and do what is
necessary
> > > to evolve. Yes I know I'm generalizing, but I also think I'm right.
> > > Evidence can be found at the Health Club. How many people buy
memberships
> > > and never use them or use them for 2 weeks and stop?
> >
> > So if people were more serious about growing and making positive
> > changes, they'd all get tattoos? ;)
>
> of course!
>
> > But more seriously, habits are hard to change regardless of whether
> > they're "good" or "bad." Most people hope they can rely on willpower,
> > but only about 5% of human behavior is determined by willpower (this is
> > pretty much constant from one person to the next). Thus, they just
> > don't have enough willpower to make sudden dramatic changes in their
> > lives.
> >
> > The trick is taking on only as much as one's willpower can handle
> > easily, wait for it to become habit (the other 95%), and then take on a
> > little more. The problem is most people don't have that kind of
> > foresight. And they keep blaming their problems on not having enough
> > willpower.
>
> i don't believe in willpower.
>
> do or do not. there is no try.

Well said Queen!

Regards,
Gunn

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 9th 04, 02:06 PM
DRS > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > DRS > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
> >> all they see is rubbish?
> >
> > yeah, i know. i'm just a crazy idealist who continues to hope that
> > people aren't actually as incredibly ****ing stupid as they all seem
> > and that they might just get off their lazy asses and investigate
> > something, whether they intended to engage in it or not. just for
> > curiosity's sake.
>
> They need to be shown something good first. Give them some incentive.

self-improvement should be all the incentive the lazy ****heads need,
damn it!

did i mention that i'm an idealist?

> > it's a wonder my spirit hasn't been totally beat down by the world
> > yet, really.
>
> Ah, but you always have the good-hearted denizens of MFW to fall back upon.

and thank dog for that.

> [...]
>
> >> I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a
> >> quarter-sleeve, from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band
> >> is only visible with T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like
> >> undershirts.
> >
> > still ambitious. you're way more hardcore than me.
>
> Heh. I'll find a way to remind you you said that.

oh but it's true. i'm really quite the candy-ass.

> [...]
>
> >> That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I
> >> need to do something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be
> >> thinking about in ten years time. At some point you have to bite
> >> the bullet and do it. Sort of "butch up and get inked!"
> >
> > truly.
> >
> > i'm contemplating colors for my butterfly even as we speak. i hope to
> > see it on my skin by the end of this year.
>
> JPEGs will be required in due course, of course. I actually have a photo of
> my arm but I don't have a scanner.

i'd offer to scan it for you, but we live on different continents and
stuff.

i'll definitely post jpgs of any new tattoos; i'm going to try to take
better pictures of the dermal punches this weekend and i'll post those
too if you're interested. i might even be ready to post jpgs of my
weight training progress by the end of the year. you just never know.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 9th 04, 02:06 PM
DRS > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > DRS > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
> >> all they see is rubbish?
> >
> > yeah, i know. i'm just a crazy idealist who continues to hope that
> > people aren't actually as incredibly ****ing stupid as they all seem
> > and that they might just get off their lazy asses and investigate
> > something, whether they intended to engage in it or not. just for
> > curiosity's sake.
>
> They need to be shown something good first. Give them some incentive.

self-improvement should be all the incentive the lazy ****heads need,
damn it!

did i mention that i'm an idealist?

> > it's a wonder my spirit hasn't been totally beat down by the world
> > yet, really.
>
> Ah, but you always have the good-hearted denizens of MFW to fall back upon.

and thank dog for that.

> [...]
>
> >> I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a
> >> quarter-sleeve, from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band
> >> is only visible with T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like
> >> undershirts.
> >
> > still ambitious. you're way more hardcore than me.
>
> Heh. I'll find a way to remind you you said that.

oh but it's true. i'm really quite the candy-ass.

> [...]
>
> >> That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I
> >> need to do something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be
> >> thinking about in ten years time. At some point you have to bite
> >> the bullet and do it. Sort of "butch up and get inked!"
> >
> > truly.
> >
> > i'm contemplating colors for my butterfly even as we speak. i hope to
> > see it on my skin by the end of this year.
>
> JPEGs will be required in due course, of course. I actually have a photo of
> my arm but I don't have a scanner.

i'd offer to scan it for you, but we live on different continents and
stuff.

i'll definitely post jpgs of any new tattoos; i'm going to try to take
better pictures of the dermal punches this weekend and i'll post those
too if you're interested. i might even be ready to post jpgs of my
weight training progress by the end of the year. you just never know.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 9th 04, 02:06 PM
DRS > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > DRS > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
> >> all they see is rubbish?
> >
> > yeah, i know. i'm just a crazy idealist who continues to hope that
> > people aren't actually as incredibly ****ing stupid as they all seem
> > and that they might just get off their lazy asses and investigate
> > something, whether they intended to engage in it or not. just for
> > curiosity's sake.
>
> They need to be shown something good first. Give them some incentive.

self-improvement should be all the incentive the lazy ****heads need,
damn it!

did i mention that i'm an idealist?

> > it's a wonder my spirit hasn't been totally beat down by the world
> > yet, really.
>
> Ah, but you always have the good-hearted denizens of MFW to fall back upon.

and thank dog for that.

> [...]
>
> >> I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a
> >> quarter-sleeve, from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band
> >> is only visible with T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like
> >> undershirts.
> >
> > still ambitious. you're way more hardcore than me.
>
> Heh. I'll find a way to remind you you said that.

oh but it's true. i'm really quite the candy-ass.

> [...]
>
> >> That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I
> >> need to do something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be
> >> thinking about in ten years time. At some point you have to bite
> >> the bullet and do it. Sort of "butch up and get inked!"
> >
> > truly.
> >
> > i'm contemplating colors for my butterfly even as we speak. i hope to
> > see it on my skin by the end of this year.
>
> JPEGs will be required in due course, of course. I actually have a photo of
> my arm but I don't have a scanner.

i'd offer to scan it for you, but we live on different continents and
stuff.

i'll definitely post jpgs of any new tattoos; i'm going to try to take
better pictures of the dermal punches this weekend and i'll post those
too if you're interested. i might even be ready to post jpgs of my
weight training progress by the end of the year. you just never know.

Smack
June 9th 04, 07:07 PM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> i don't believe in willpower.
>
> do or do not. there is no try.

Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

Smack
June 9th 04, 07:07 PM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> i don't believe in willpower.
>
> do or do not. there is no try.

Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

Smack
June 9th 04, 07:07 PM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> i don't believe in willpower.
>
> do or do not. there is no try.

Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 10th 04, 02:19 AM
Smack > wrote:

> In article >,
> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> > i don't believe in willpower.
> >
> > do or do not. there is no try.
>
> Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.

that's no excuse.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 10th 04, 02:19 AM
Smack > wrote:

> In article >,
> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> > i don't believe in willpower.
> >
> > do or do not. there is no try.
>
> Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.

that's no excuse.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 10th 04, 02:19 AM
Smack > wrote:

> In article >,
> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> > i don't believe in willpower.
> >
> > do or do not. there is no try.
>
> Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.

that's no excuse.

Mick R.
June 10th 04, 10:28 AM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
. ..
> DRS > wrote:
>
> > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > DRS > wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
> > >> all they see is rubbish?
> > >
> > > yeah, i know. i'm just a crazy idealist who continues to hope that
> > > people aren't actually as incredibly ****ing stupid as they all seem
> > > and that they might just get off their lazy asses and investigate
> > > something, whether they intended to engage in it or not. just for
> > > curiosity's sake.
> >
> > They need to be shown something good first. Give them some incentive.
>
> self-improvement should be all the incentive the lazy ****heads need,
> damn it!
>
> did i mention that i'm an idealist?
>
> > > it's a wonder my spirit hasn't been totally beat down by the world
> > > yet, really.
> >
> > Ah, but you always have the good-hearted denizens of MFW to fall back
upon.
>
> and thank dog for that.
>
> > [...]
> >
> > >> I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a
> > >> quarter-sleeve, from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band
> > >> is only visible with T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like
> > >> undershirts.
> > >
> > > still ambitious. you're way more hardcore than me.
> >
> > Heh. I'll find a way to remind you you said that.
>
> oh but it's true. i'm really quite the candy-ass.
>
> > [...]
> >
> > >> That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I
> > >> need to do something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be
> > >> thinking about in ten years time. At some point you have to bite
> > >> the bullet and do it. Sort of "butch up and get inked!"
> > >
> > > truly.
> > >
> > > i'm contemplating colors for my butterfly even as we speak. i hope to
> > > see it on my skin by the end of this year.
> >
> > JPEGs will be required in due course, of course. I actually have a
photo of
> > my arm but I don't have a scanner.
>
> i'd offer to scan it for you, but we live on different continents and
> stuff.
>
> i'll definitely post jpgs of any new tattoos; i'm going to try to take
> better pictures of the dermal punches this weekend and i'll post those
> too if you're interested. i might even be ready to post jpgs of my
> weight training progress by the end of the year. you just never know.

Where are you going to post those? My brother-in -law is a skin artist and
I love good ink. Unfortunately my canvas, for cost reasons mostly, is
blank.

--
Mick R.

Until you get pretty good at it, deadlifting is 90% half mental. - Wayne S.
Hill

Mick R.
June 10th 04, 10:28 AM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
. ..
> DRS > wrote:
>
> > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
> > > DRS > wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >> The point is, though, why would they want to investigate body art if
> > >> all they see is rubbish?
> > >
> > > yeah, i know. i'm just a crazy idealist who continues to hope that
> > > people aren't actually as incredibly ****ing stupid as they all seem
> > > and that they might just get off their lazy asses and investigate
> > > something, whether they intended to engage in it or not. just for
> > > curiosity's sake.
> >
> > They need to be shown something good first. Give them some incentive.
>
> self-improvement should be all the incentive the lazy ****heads need,
> damn it!
>
> did i mention that i'm an idealist?
>
> > > it's a wonder my spirit hasn't been totally beat down by the world
> > > yet, really.
> >
> > Ah, but you always have the good-hearted denizens of MFW to fall back
upon.
>
> and thank dog for that.
>
> > [...]
> >
> > >> I may have got that terminology wrong, it may actually be a
> > >> quarter-sleeve, from the mid-arm up to the shoulder. The arm-band
> > >> is only visible with T-shirts with shorter than usual sleeves, like
> > >> undershirts.
> > >
> > > still ambitious. you're way more hardcore than me.
> >
> > Heh. I'll find a way to remind you you said that.
>
> oh but it's true. i'm really quite the candy-ass.
>
> > [...]
> >
> > >> That's what I've been doing but I've been doing it for so long I
> > >> need to do something to break that nexus, otherwise I'll still be
> > >> thinking about in ten years time. At some point you have to bite
> > >> the bullet and do it. Sort of "butch up and get inked!"
> > >
> > > truly.
> > >
> > > i'm contemplating colors for my butterfly even as we speak. i hope to
> > > see it on my skin by the end of this year.
> >
> > JPEGs will be required in due course, of course. I actually have a
photo of
> > my arm but I don't have a scanner.
>
> i'd offer to scan it for you, but we live on different continents and
> stuff.
>
> i'll definitely post jpgs of any new tattoos; i'm going to try to take
> better pictures of the dermal punches this weekend and i'll post those
> too if you're interested. i might even be ready to post jpgs of my
> weight training progress by the end of the year. you just never know.

Where are you going to post those? My brother-in -law is a skin artist and
I love good ink. Unfortunately my canvas, for cost reasons mostly, is
blank.

--
Mick R.

Until you get pretty good at it, deadlifting is 90% half mental. - Wayne S.
Hill

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 10th 04, 02:17 PM
Mick R. > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
>
> > i'll definitely post jpgs of any new tattoos; i'm going to try to take
> > better pictures of the dermal punches this weekend and i'll post those
> > too if you're interested. i might even be ready to post jpgs of my
> > weight training progress by the end of the year. you just never know.
>
> Where are you going to post those? My brother-in -law is a skin artist and
> I love good ink. Unfortunately my canvas, for cost reasons mostly, is
> blank.

i'll post the link here as well in rec.arts.bodyart. in case you missed
the link to the designs i'm working from, here it is again:

http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398

tattoos are expensive, no doubt about it. can't you get a family
discount?

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 10th 04, 02:17 PM
Mick R. > wrote:

> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote:
>
> > i'll definitely post jpgs of any new tattoos; i'm going to try to take
> > better pictures of the dermal punches this weekend and i'll post those
> > too if you're interested. i might even be ready to post jpgs of my
> > weight training progress by the end of the year. you just never know.
>
> Where are you going to post those? My brother-in -law is a skin artist and
> I love good ink. Unfortunately my canvas, for cost reasons mostly, is
> blank.

i'll post the link here as well in rec.arts.bodyart. in case you missed
the link to the designs i'm working from, here it is again:

http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=mhm27x16&AID=1554398

tattoos are expensive, no doubt about it. can't you get a family
discount?

Smack
June 11th 04, 01:39 AM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> Smack > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> >
> > > i don't believe in willpower.
> > >
> > > do or do not. there is no try.
> >
> > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
>
> that's no excuse.

So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
goals? That's not a very productive way to think.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

Smack
June 11th 04, 01:39 AM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> Smack > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> >
> > > i don't believe in willpower.
> > >
> > > do or do not. there is no try.
> >
> > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
>
> that's no excuse.

So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
goals? That's not a very productive way to think.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 11th 04, 01:48 AM
Smack > wrote:

> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> > Smack > wrote:
> > > (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> > >
> > > > i don't believe in willpower.
> > > >
> > > > do or do not. there is no try.
> > >
> > > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
> >
> > that's no excuse.
>
> So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
> goals? That's not a very productive way to think.

i never said we couldn't do things and fail; failure is *always* an
option. if you fail at something you really want to do, you simply dust
yourself off and do it again. and you keep doing it until you succeed.

seems pretty productive to me.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 11th 04, 01:48 AM
Smack > wrote:

> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> > Smack > wrote:
> > > (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> > >
> > > > i don't believe in willpower.
> > > >
> > > > do or do not. there is no try.
> > >
> > > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
> >
> > that's no excuse.
>
> So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
> goals? That's not a very productive way to think.

i never said we couldn't do things and fail; failure is *always* an
option. if you fail at something you really want to do, you simply dust
yourself off and do it again. and you keep doing it until you succeed.

seems pretty productive to me.

Smack
June 13th 04, 06:14 AM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> > > > > i don't believe in willpower.
> > > > >
> > > > > do or do not. there is no try.
> > > >
> > > > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
> > >
> > > that's no excuse.
> >
> > So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
> > goals? That's not a very productive way to think.
>
> i never said we couldn't do things and fail; failure is *always* an
> option. if you fail at something you really want to do, you simply dust
> yourself off and do it again. and you keep doing it until you succeed.

That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

Smack
June 13th 04, 06:14 AM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> > > > > i don't believe in willpower.
> > > > >
> > > > > do or do not. there is no try.
> > > >
> > > > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
> > >
> > > that's no excuse.
> >
> > So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
> > goals? That's not a very productive way to think.
>
> i never said we couldn't do things and fail; failure is *always* an
> option. if you fail at something you really want to do, you simply dust
> yourself off and do it again. and you keep doing it until you succeed.

That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 13th 04, 03:43 PM
Smack > wrote:

> In article >,
> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> > > > > > i don't believe in willpower.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do or do not. there is no try.
> > > > >
> > > > > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
> > > >
> > > > that's no excuse.
> > >
> > > So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
> > > goals? That's not a very productive way to think.
> >
> > i never said we couldn't do things and fail; failure is *always* an
> > option. if you fail at something you really want to do, you simply dust
> > yourself off and do it again. and you keep doing it until you succeed.
>
> That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
> not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
> most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
> sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.

i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 13th 04, 03:43 PM
Smack > wrote:

> In article >,
> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> > > > > > i don't believe in willpower.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do or do not. there is no try.
> > > > >
> > > > > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
> > > >
> > > > that's no excuse.
> > >
> > > So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
> > > goals? That's not a very productive way to think.
> >
> > i never said we couldn't do things and fail; failure is *always* an
> > option. if you fail at something you really want to do, you simply dust
> > yourself off and do it again. and you keep doing it until you succeed.
>
> That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
> not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
> most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
> sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.

i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.

elzinator
June 13th 04, 04:18 PM
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>Smack > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > i don't believe in willpower.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > do or do not. there is no try.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
>> > > >
>> > > > that's no excuse.
>> > >
>> > > So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
>> > > goals? That's not a very productive way to think.
>> >
>> > i never said we couldn't do things and fail; failure is *always* an
>> > option. if you fail at something you really want to do, you simply dust
>> > yourself off and do it again. and you keep doing it until you succeed.
>>
>> That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
>> not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
>> doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
>> you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
>> most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
>> abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
>> sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
>
>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.

You sound like my twin.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

elzinator
June 13th 04, 04:18 PM
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>Smack > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > i don't believe in willpower.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > do or do not. there is no try.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
>> > > >
>> > > > that's no excuse.
>> > >
>> > > So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
>> > > goals? That's not a very productive way to think.
>> >
>> > i never said we couldn't do things and fail; failure is *always* an
>> > option. if you fail at something you really want to do, you simply dust
>> > yourself off and do it again. and you keep doing it until you succeed.
>>
>> That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
>> not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
>> doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
>> you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
>> most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
>> abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
>> sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
>
>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.

You sound like my twin.


"I am the monster." - Riddick

Smack
June 13th 04, 10:33 PM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> > That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
> > not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> > doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> > you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
> > most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> > abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
> > sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
>
> i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.

Okay. Then why make a fuss when I state the way it works for most
people?

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

Smack
June 13th 04, 10:33 PM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> > That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
> > not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> > doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> > you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
> > most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> > abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
> > sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
>
> i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.

Okay. Then why make a fuss when I state the way it works for most
people?

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 13th 04, 11:25 PM
Smack > wrote:

> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> > > That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
> > > not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> > > doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> > > you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
> > > most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> > > abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
> > > sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
> >
> > i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> > people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> > are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>
> Okay. Then why make a fuss when I state the way it works for most
> people?

show me where i've "made a fuss" about anything you've posted.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 13th 04, 11:25 PM
Smack > wrote:

> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> > > That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
> > > not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> > > doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> > > you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
> > > most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> > > abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
> > > sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
> >
> > i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> > people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> > are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>
> Okay. Then why make a fuss when I state the way it works for most
> people?

show me where i've "made a fuss" about anything you've posted.

Mick R.
June 13th 04, 11:35 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
.. .
> Smack > wrote:
>
> > (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> >
> > > > That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that
that's
> > > > not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> > > > doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> > > > you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in
the
> > > > most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> > > > abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All
the
> > > > sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
> > >
> > > i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for
"most
> > > people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves -
they
> > > are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
> >
> > Okay. Then why make a fuss when I state the way it works for most
> > people?
>
> show me where i've "made a fuss" about anything you've posted.

Are you up really late or am I just ignorant?

Mick R.
June 13th 04, 11:35 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
.. .
> Smack > wrote:
>
> > (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> >
> > > > That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that
that's
> > > > not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> > > > doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> > > > you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in
the
> > > > most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> > > > abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All
the
> > > > sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
> > >
> > > i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for
"most
> > > people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves -
they
> > > are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
> >
> > Okay. Then why make a fuss when I state the way it works for most
> > people?
>
> show me where i've "made a fuss" about anything you've posted.

Are you up really late or am I just ignorant?

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 13th 04, 11:36 PM
Mick R. > wrote:

> Are you up really late or am I just ignorant?

i live in california ... it's 3.36 in the afternoon :)

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 13th 04, 11:36 PM
Mick R. > wrote:

> Are you up really late or am I just ignorant?

i live in california ... it's 3.36 in the afternoon :)

Mick R.
June 13th 04, 11:43 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
...
> Mick R. > wrote:
>
> > Are you up really late or am I just ignorant?
>
> i live in california ... it's 3.36 in the afternoon :)

Fair enough then. I'm in Australia (New South Wales) It's 8:40am here.
I tried the links you posted a while back re. your body mods, tats etc but
couldn't find the pics I thought you were referring to. Do you have the
links around?
My brother-in-law is a skin artist so I have a good chance of getting what I
want when I'm ready.

Mick R.
June 13th 04, 11:43 PM
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" > wrote in message
...
> Mick R. > wrote:
>
> > Are you up really late or am I just ignorant?
>
> i live in california ... it's 3.36 in the afternoon :)

Fair enough then. I'm in Australia (New South Wales) It's 8:40am here.
I tried the links you posted a while back re. your body mods, tats etc but
couldn't find the pics I thought you were referring to. Do you have the
links around?
My brother-in-law is a skin artist so I have a good chance of getting what I
want when I'm ready.

Smack
June 14th 04, 12:48 AM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> Smack > wrote:
>
> > (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> >
> > > > That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
> > > > not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> > > > doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> > > > you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
> > > > most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> > > > abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
> > > > sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
> > >
> > > i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> > > people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> > > are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
> >
> > Okay. Then why make a fuss when I state the way it works for most
> > people?
>
> show me where i've "made a fuss" about anything you've posted.

I took your reply that you don't believe in willpower to be contentious
("willpower," by whatever name, is simply the opposite of "habit," so I
don't know what there is to believe in or not). My apologies if I
misinterpreted.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

Smack
June 14th 04, 12:48 AM
In article >,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> Smack > wrote:
>
> > (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> >
> > > > That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
> > > > not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> > > > doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> > > > you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
> > > > most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> > > > abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
> > > > sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
> > >
> > > i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> > > people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> > > are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
> >
> > Okay. Then why make a fuss when I state the way it works for most
> > people?
>
> show me where i've "made a fuss" about anything you've posted.

I took your reply that you don't believe in willpower to be contentious
("willpower," by whatever name, is simply the opposite of "habit," so I
don't know what there is to believe in or not). My apologies if I
misinterpreted.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

elzinator
June 14th 04, 01:19 AM
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:48:28 -0400, Smack wrote:
>In article >,
> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
>> Smack > wrote:
>>
>> > (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>> >
>> > > > That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
>> > > > not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
>> > > > doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
>> > > > you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
>> > > > most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
>> > > > abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
>> > > > sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
>> > >
>> > > i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>> > > people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>> > > are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>> >
>> > Okay. Then why make a fuss when I state the way it works for most
>> > people?
>>
>> show me where i've "made a fuss" about anything you've posted.
>
>I took your reply that you don't believe in willpower to be contentious
>("willpower," by whatever name, is simply the opposite of "habit," so I
>don't know what there is to believe in or not). My apologies if I
>misinterpreted.

Show me where 'willpower' is the opposite of 'habit.'
Willpower is purposeful determination; habit is a tendency or usual
manner of behavior pattern acquired by frequent repetition. The two
are not antonyms. Habit can itself be a purposeful determination: the
determination to allow one's self to submit to habit. That's not
necessarily a bad thing, but it can be if it is an avoidance to face
issues and deal with them.

I understand what you meant in your former comments, and I agree to
some extent. However, one can attempt to achieve the desired goal over
again by a different process and change the probability of failing.
That is called 'learning from your mistakes.'

That is what takes courage, willpower and commitment, and taking
responsibility for one's self. Not repeating the same mistakes, or
repeating other's mistakes. It means being aware of and admitting your
own mistakes, and being honest about them, learning from them.
Instead of the converse, avoiding challenges and opportunities because
one is afraid or insecure of themselves, or afraid what others will
think of them.

It all boils down to choices and consequences. Some make the choice to
avoid choosing.

--------------------------------------
In the end, what we regret the most is not taking chances.
"It is far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs,
even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor
spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in
the grey twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat."
- Theodore Roosevelt

elzinator
June 14th 04, 01:19 AM
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:48:28 -0400, Smack wrote:
>In article >,
> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
>> Smack > wrote:
>>
>> > (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>> >
>> > > > That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
>> > > > not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
>> > > > doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
>> > > > you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
>> > > > most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
>> > > > abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
>> > > > sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
>> > >
>> > > i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>> > > people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>> > > are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>> >
>> > Okay. Then why make a fuss when I state the way it works for most
>> > people?
>>
>> show me where i've "made a fuss" about anything you've posted.
>
>I took your reply that you don't believe in willpower to be contentious
>("willpower," by whatever name, is simply the opposite of "habit," so I
>don't know what there is to believe in or not). My apologies if I
>misinterpreted.

Show me where 'willpower' is the opposite of 'habit.'
Willpower is purposeful determination; habit is a tendency or usual
manner of behavior pattern acquired by frequent repetition. The two
are not antonyms. Habit can itself be a purposeful determination: the
determination to allow one's self to submit to habit. That's not
necessarily a bad thing, but it can be if it is an avoidance to face
issues and deal with them.

I understand what you meant in your former comments, and I agree to
some extent. However, one can attempt to achieve the desired goal over
again by a different process and change the probability of failing.
That is called 'learning from your mistakes.'

That is what takes courage, willpower and commitment, and taking
responsibility for one's self. Not repeating the same mistakes, or
repeating other's mistakes. It means being aware of and admitting your
own mistakes, and being honest about them, learning from them.
Instead of the converse, avoiding challenges and opportunities because
one is afraid or insecure of themselves, or afraid what others will
think of them.

It all boils down to choices and consequences. Some make the choice to
avoid choosing.

--------------------------------------
In the end, what we regret the most is not taking chances.
"It is far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs,
even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor
spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in
the grey twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat."
- Theodore Roosevelt

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 14th 04, 05:02 AM
elzinator > wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >Smack > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > > > i don't believe in willpower.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > do or do not. there is no try.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > that's no excuse.
> >> > >
> >> > > So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
> >> > > goals? That's not a very productive way to think.
> >> >
> >> > i never said we couldn't do things and fail; failure is *always* an
> >> > option. if you fail at something you really want to do, you simply dust
> >> > yourself off and do it again. and you keep doing it until you succeed.
> >>
> >> That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
> >> not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> >> doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> >> you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
> >> most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> >> abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
> >> sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
> >
> >i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> >people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> >are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>
> You sound like my twin.

do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
at birth.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 14th 04, 05:02 AM
elzinator > wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >Smack > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > > > i don't believe in willpower.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > do or do not. there is no try.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Indeed, but "doing" isn't always as easy as it seems.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > that's no excuse.
> >> > >
> >> > > So there's no point in teaching people the best way to accomplish their
> >> > > goals? That's not a very productive way to think.
> >> >
> >> > i never said we couldn't do things and fail; failure is *always* an
> >> > option. if you fail at something you really want to do, you simply dust
> >> > yourself off and do it again. and you keep doing it until you succeed.
> >>
> >> That's great if that works for you, but evidence suggests that that's
> >> not how most people operate, creatures of habit that they are. It
> >> doesn't do any good to just keep "doing" and failing in hopes that
> >> you'll eventually succeed if you're not going about the "doing" in the
> >> most effective way. Habits can't be changed overnight (notice the
> >> abysmal success rate on most people's New Year's resolutions). All the
> >> sci-fi cliches in the world won't change that.
> >
> >i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> >people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> >are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>
> You sound like my twin.

do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
at birth.

Dally
June 14th 04, 01:33 PM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

> elzinator > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

>>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>>
>>You sound like my twin.
>
> do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
> at birth.

I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.

Dally

Dally
June 14th 04, 01:33 PM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

> elzinator > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

>>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>>
>>You sound like my twin.
>
> do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
> at birth.

I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.

Dally

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 14th 04, 01:48 PM
Dally > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> > elzinator > wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> >>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> >>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> >>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
> >>
> >>You sound like my twin.
> >
> > do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
> > at birth.
>
> I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.

i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
all at the same time.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 14th 04, 01:48 PM
Dally > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> > elzinator > wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> >>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> >>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> >>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
> >>
> >>You sound like my twin.
> >
> > do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
> > at birth.
>
> I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.

i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
all at the same time.

Dally
June 14th 04, 02:27 PM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

> Dally > wrote:
>
>
>>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>>
>>>elzinator > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>>>>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>>>>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>>>>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>>>>
>>>>You sound like my twin.
>>>
>>>do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
>>>at birth.
>>
>>I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
>
>
> i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
> all at the same time.

My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.

Dally, for whom embarrassing her daughter is a side nice effect

Dally
June 14th 04, 02:27 PM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

> Dally > wrote:
>
>
>>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>>
>>>elzinator > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>>>>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>>>>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>>>>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>>>>
>>>>You sound like my twin.
>>>
>>>do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
>>>at birth.
>>
>>I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
>
>
> i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
> all at the same time.

My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.

Dally, for whom embarrassing her daughter is a side nice effect

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 14th 04, 03:15 PM
Dally > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> > Dally > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>elzinator > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> >>>>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> >>>>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
> >>>>
> >>>>You sound like my twin.
> >>>
> >>>do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
> >>>at birth.
> >>
> >>I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
> >
> >
> > i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
> > all at the same time.
>
> My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
> amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.

why does it not surprise me that you'd choose "pretty" shoes over shoes
that actually fit and are comfortable?

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 14th 04, 03:15 PM
Dally > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> > Dally > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>elzinator > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> >>>>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> >>>>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
> >>>>
> >>>>You sound like my twin.
> >>>
> >>>do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
> >>>at birth.
> >>
> >>I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
> >
> >
> > i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
> > all at the same time.
>
> My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
> amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.

why does it not surprise me that you'd choose "pretty" shoes over shoes
that actually fit and are comfortable?

Dally
June 14th 04, 03:32 PM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

> Dally > wrote:

>>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
>>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
>> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
>
> why does it not surprise me that you'd choose "pretty" shoes over shoes
> that actually fit and are comfortable?

Heh. Just playing to the gallery. My feet are usually bare. (Like
now.) I work from home.

Dally

Dally
June 14th 04, 03:32 PM
The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

> Dally > wrote:

>>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
>>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
>> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
>
> why does it not surprise me that you'd choose "pretty" shoes over shoes
> that actually fit and are comfortable?

Heh. Just playing to the gallery. My feet are usually bare. (Like
now.) I work from home.

Dally

Nina
June 14th 04, 06:32 PM
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:33:56 -0400, Dally > wrote:

>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
>> elzinator > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
>>>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>>>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>>>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>>>
>>>You sound like my twin.
>>
>> do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
>> at birth.
>
>I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
>
>Dally

One doesn't need me to have great shoes, although I'm excellent at
picking them out. Although I did buy four pairs of shoes this
weekend, and I have an entire closet dedicated to boots.

Cheers,
Nina
But I don't have a problem!
delicious! evil! calorie free!
http://www.theslack.com

Nina
June 14th 04, 06:32 PM
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:33:56 -0400, Dally > wrote:

>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
>> elzinator > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
>>>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>>>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>>>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>>>
>>>You sound like my twin.
>>
>> do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
>> at birth.
>
>I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
>
>Dally

One doesn't need me to have great shoes, although I'm excellent at
picking them out. Although I did buy four pairs of shoes this
weekend, and I have an entire closet dedicated to boots.

Cheers,
Nina
But I don't have a problem!
delicious! evil! calorie free!
http://www.theslack.com

Nina
June 14th 04, 06:34 PM
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:48:53 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>Dally > wrote:
>
>> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>> > elzinator > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>> >>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>> >>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>> >>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>> >>
>> >>You sound like my twin.
>> >
>> > do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
>> > at birth.
>>
>> I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
>
>i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
>all at the same time.

My four inch platform boots are comfy, they're easy to walk in, and
they make me nealy six feet tall. That's sensible, n'est-ce pas?

Cheers,
Nina
delicious! evil! calorie free!
http://www.theslack.com

Nina
June 14th 04, 06:34 PM
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:48:53 GMT, (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>Dally > wrote:
>
>> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>> > elzinator > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>
>> >>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>> >>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>> >>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>> >>
>> >>You sound like my twin.
>> >
>> > do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
>> > at birth.
>>
>> I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
>
>i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
>all at the same time.

My four inch platform boots are comfy, they're easy to walk in, and
they make me nealy six feet tall. That's sensible, n'est-ce pas?

Cheers,
Nina
delicious! evil! calorie free!
http://www.theslack.com

Nina
June 14th 04, 06:35 PM
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:27:11 -0400, Dally > wrote:

>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
>> Dally > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>elzinator > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>>>>>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>>>>>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>>>>>
>>>>>You sound like my twin.
>>>>
>>>>do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
>>>>at birth.
>>>
>>>I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
>>
>>
>> i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
>> all at the same time.
>
>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
>
>Dally, for whom embarrassing her daughter is a side nice effect

Rule Number One: Thou Shalt Not Buy Shoes Thou Cannot Walk In.

(unless, of course, they're only meant to be worn in bed.)

Cheers,
Nina

delicious! evil! calorie free!
http://www.theslack.com

Nina
June 14th 04, 06:35 PM
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:27:11 -0400, Dally > wrote:

>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
>> Dally > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>elzinator > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
>>>>>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
>>>>>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
>>>>>
>>>>>You sound like my twin.
>>>>
>>>>do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
>>>>at birth.
>>>
>>>I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
>>
>>
>> i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
>> all at the same time.
>
>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
>
>Dally, for whom embarrassing her daughter is a side nice effect

Rule Number One: Thou Shalt Not Buy Shoes Thou Cannot Walk In.

(unless, of course, they're only meant to be worn in bed.)

Cheers,
Nina

delicious! evil! calorie free!
http://www.theslack.com

Dally
June 14th 04, 07:05 PM
Nina wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:27:11 -0400, Dally > wrote:

>>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
>>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
>> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
>>
>>Dally, for whom embarrassing her daughter is a side nice effect
>
>
> Rule Number One: Thou Shalt Not Buy Shoes Thou Cannot Walk In.
>
> (unless, of course, they're only meant to be worn in bed.)

Somethings, like deadlifting, I do without shoes.

That said, the orange mules (what's another name for mules?) get me to
bed just fine.

Dally

Dally
June 14th 04, 07:05 PM
Nina wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:27:11 -0400, Dally > wrote:

>>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
>>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
>> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
>>
>>Dally, for whom embarrassing her daughter is a side nice effect
>
>
> Rule Number One: Thou Shalt Not Buy Shoes Thou Cannot Walk In.
>
> (unless, of course, they're only meant to be worn in bed.)

Somethings, like deadlifting, I do without shoes.

That said, the orange mules (what's another name for mules?) get me to
bed just fine.

Dally

John HUDSON
June 14th 04, 07:43 PM
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:05:14 -0400, Dally > wrote:

>Nina wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:27:11 -0400, Dally > wrote:
>
>>>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
>>>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
>>> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
>>>
>>>Dally, for whom embarrassing her daughter is a side nice effect
>>
>>
>> Rule Number One: Thou Shalt Not Buy Shoes Thou Cannot Walk In.
>>
>> (unless, of course, they're only meant to be worn in bed.)
>
>Somethings, like deadlifting, I do without shoes.
>
>That said, the orange mules (what's another name for mules?) get me to
>bed just fine.

Carpet slippers?

John HUDSON
June 14th 04, 07:43 PM
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:05:14 -0400, Dally > wrote:

>Nina wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:27:11 -0400, Dally > wrote:
>
>>>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
>>>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
>>> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
>>>
>>>Dally, for whom embarrassing her daughter is a side nice effect
>>
>>
>> Rule Number One: Thou Shalt Not Buy Shoes Thou Cannot Walk In.
>>
>> (unless, of course, they're only meant to be worn in bed.)
>
>Somethings, like deadlifting, I do without shoes.
>
>That said, the orange mules (what's another name for mules?) get me to
>bed just fine.

Carpet slippers?

Dally
June 15th 04, 02:17 AM
John HUDSON wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:05:14 -0400, Dally > wrote:
>
>
>>Nina wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:27:11 -0400, Dally > wrote:
>>
>>>>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
>>>>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
>>>>They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
>>>>
>>>>Dally, for whom embarrassing her daughter is a side nice effect
>>>
>>>
>>>Rule Number One: Thou Shalt Not Buy Shoes Thou Cannot Walk In.
>>>
>>>(unless, of course, they're only meant to be worn in bed.)
>>
>>Somethings, like deadlifting, I do without shoes.
>>
>>That said, the orange mules (what's another name for mules?) get me to
>>bed just fine.
>
>
> Carpet slippers?

No.

Dally

Dally
June 15th 04, 02:17 AM
John HUDSON wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:05:14 -0400, Dally > wrote:
>
>
>>Nina wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:27:11 -0400, Dally > wrote:
>>
>>>>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
>>>>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
>>>>They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
>>>>
>>>>Dally, for whom embarrassing her daughter is a side nice effect
>>>
>>>
>>>Rule Number One: Thou Shalt Not Buy Shoes Thou Cannot Walk In.
>>>
>>>(unless, of course, they're only meant to be worn in bed.)
>>
>>Somethings, like deadlifting, I do without shoes.
>>
>>That said, the orange mules (what's another name for mules?) get me to
>>bed just fine.
>
>
> Carpet slippers?

No.

Dally

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 15th 04, 03:05 AM
Dally > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> > Dally > wrote:
>
> >>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
> >>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
> >> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
> >
> > why does it not surprise me that you'd choose "pretty" shoes over shoes
> > that actually fit and are comfortable?
>
> Heh. Just playing to the gallery. My feet are usually bare. (Like
> now.) I work from home.

it doesn't matter where you wear them: you own shoes you can't walk
normally in, and you do wear them.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 15th 04, 03:05 AM
Dally > wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> > Dally > wrote:
>
> >>My current favorites are a pair of orange mules that go with a suprising
> >>amount of things in my wardrobe. My daughter groans when I put them on.
> >> They don't stay on very well and I end up making mincing steps.
> >
> > why does it not surprise me that you'd choose "pretty" shoes over shoes
> > that actually fit and are comfortable?
>
> Heh. Just playing to the gallery. My feet are usually bare. (Like
> now.) I work from home.

it doesn't matter where you wear them: you own shoes you can't walk
normally in, and you do wear them.

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 15th 04, 03:05 AM
Nina > wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:48:53 GMT, (The Queen of
> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> >Dally > wrote:
> >
> >> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>
> >> > elzinator > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> >> >>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> >> >>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
> >> >>
> >> >>You sound like my twin.
> >> >
> >> > do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
> >> > at birth.
> >>
> >> I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
> >
> >i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
> >all at the same time.
>
> My four inch platform boots are comfy, they're easy to walk in, and
> they make me nealy six feet tall. That's sensible, n'est-ce pas?

mais oui!

The Queen of Cans and Jars
June 15th 04, 03:05 AM
Nina > wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:48:53 GMT, (The Queen of
> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> >Dally > wrote:
> >
> >> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>
> >> > elzinator > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:43:06 GMT, The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>i'm not particularly concerned with what works or doesn't work for "most
> >> >>>people." i'm not responsible for them taking care of themselves - they
> >> >>>are. it's up to them to find a way to make it work.
> >> >>
> >> >>You sound like my twin.
> >> >
> >> > do you have a tendency to wear sensible shoes? maybe we were separated
> >> > at birth.
> >>
> >> I want to be Nina's twin so I can wear GREAT shoes. And boots.
> >
> >i currently own seven pair of dr. martens, all sensible and all great.
> >all at the same time.
>
> My four inch platform boots are comfy, they're easy to walk in, and
> they make me nealy six feet tall. That's sensible, n'est-ce pas?

mais oui!

Smack
June 15th 04, 03:18 AM
In article >,
elzinator > wrote:

> Show me where 'willpower' is the opposite of 'habit.'
> Willpower is purposeful determination; habit is a tendency or usual
> manner of behavior pattern acquired by frequent repetition. The two
> are not antonyms.

I may be missing something, but based on your own definitions, antonyms
are exactly what they appear to be. There are only two kinds of actions
a person can perform: those done by purposeful determination, and those
by habit.

> Habit can itself be a purposeful determination: the
> determination to allow one's self to submit to habit.

You're saying that one can make a conscious decision to submit to habit.
The conscious decision itself is not habit. If that were habit, you
wouldn't have to use the word "habit" in the description.

> I understand what you meant in your former comments, and I agree to
> some extent. However, one can attempt to achieve the desired goal over
> again by a different process and change the probability of failing.
> That is called 'learning from your mistakes.'

In other words, using a little bit of conscious willpower to refine
one's habits.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber

Smack
June 15th 04, 03:18 AM
In article >,
elzinator > wrote:

> Show me where 'willpower' is the opposite of 'habit.'
> Willpower is purposeful determination; habit is a tendency or usual
> manner of behavior pattern acquired by frequent repetition. The two
> are not antonyms.

I may be missing something, but based on your own definitions, antonyms
are exactly what they appear to be. There are only two kinds of actions
a person can perform: those done by purposeful determination, and those
by habit.

> Habit can itself be a purposeful determination: the
> determination to allow one's self to submit to habit.

You're saying that one can make a conscious decision to submit to habit.
The conscious decision itself is not habit. If that were habit, you
wouldn't have to use the word "habit" in the description.

> I understand what you meant in your former comments, and I agree to
> some extent. However, one can attempt to achieve the desired goal over
> again by a different process and change the probability of failing.
> That is called 'learning from your mistakes.'

In other words, using a little bit of conscious willpower to refine
one's habits.

--
Stephen Mack
Arka Music - Engraving, Copying, Transposing
www.arkamusic.com

"Nobody's smart enough to be wrong all the time." -Ken Wilber